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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by arsenische »

eordano wrote: post #80
hack_edu wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have legitimate reasons to avoid messing with BTC or others. Some people don't even want to hassle with currencies beyond their own. Even if they oblige in accepting BTC and just convert it to their preferred currency, they'd be forced to go through the process of signing up and verifying with some sort of exchange. What if they don't want to do business with those institutions, or share their financial detail…

I feel like we shouldn't miss the point here: you can't impersonate me and take donations in my name without my consent, no matter the currency (or regulations or whatever) being used. Make it opt-in, not "opted in by default and no way to opt out".

We don't impersonate anybody. We just provide additional way to reward project's contributors and perhaps attract more of them. We'll make it more explicit with https://github.com/tip4commit/tip4commit/issues/136

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by Cakez0r »

dlisboa wrote: post #88
Cakez0r wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving money to open source developers. How parasitical.

Not all open source developers want money for their open source software. You think collecting money using someone else's hard work isn't a bad thing. A hard work that the person explicitly went to the trouble of making free and abstained from any income derived solely from it.

I agree that an open source developer can object to donations on a personal level and I think it's a very reasonable request to personally unsubscribe from communications from some entity.

What I don't agree with is complaining that you're being spammed after you put your contact information in the public domain and receive a notification that somebody would like to give you money. I also don't agree that a "project owner" should get to deny any potential contributors to receive donations based on his own personal objections.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by brunoqc »

roganartu wrote: post #84

The tip4commit website is vulnerable to Heartbleed: https://filippo.io/Heartbleed/#tip4commit.com Don't sign in or register or you may have more to worry about than undesired tax liabilities. EDIT: It's fixed now.

Did you tell them?

EDIT: I did https://github.com/tip4commit/tip4commit/issues/147

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#104

Post by maxerickson »

teamhappy wrote: post #97
maxerickson wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your focus on the software and license (which continues in your clarification) is more a demonstration that you haven't understood the situation than it is disagreement with anything being discussed. The complaint is Please remove my repositories from the website and do not add a way to add them again. I do not value third party websites gameifying my projects , but where it says "repositories", it is not talking abo…

The reason I felt the need to explain the legal situation is that some people seem to think there's an objective right/wrong here and that's just not true. Furthermore, I believe the reaction to this issue is way over the top. The tip4commit people seem very well intentioned in that they created a website for people to donate to open source projects. They might be stubborn and adding the disclaimer might have taken a…

Your explanation of the legal situation comes out of nowhere. It's not related to why people find the website so distasteful (I think I've tried to explain that enough already). I'm wondering if you are being deliberately obtuse about this.

The best thing tip4commit could do to demonstrate their very well intention would be to quickly listen to anybody who asks them to remove the offer to collect donations (that is, simply listen to the thunderous frustration rather than wondering where all the hate is coming from while trying to explain how they are just doing this nice thing).

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#105

Post by ajnin »

arsenische wrote: post #86
colanderman wrote: post #10

From the FAQ: > What happens to unclaimed tips (if recipient doesn't sign in and specify his/her bitcoin address)? Funds that are not claimed during 30 days get returned back to the project. Presumably "the project" in the answer refers to tip4commit? If so, isn't tip4commit committing fraud by advertising that tips go to the intended recipient, when in fact, if the recipient does not participate, they go into tip4co…

When I said "returned to the project's balance" - I meant "returned to the funded project's balance" so that other contributors to that project could receive them. Sorry if sounds ambiguous, English is not my native language. E. g. if you donate to reward contributors of https://tip4commit.com/github/bitcoin/bitcoin and some contributor doesn't specify bitcoin address to claim tips within 30 days then his or her tips…

However every project's balance is stored in your coffers, correct ? And you use an exponential decay function to distribute tips (1% of the balance per commit), which means that some fraction of the donated amount will always remain in your possession, correct ? And statistically, a majority of projects will slow down or stop development altogether eventually, and in this case you will keep the bitcoins indefinitely, correct ?

Could you provide an estimate of the amount of tips actually sent to people with regards to the amount donated ? Could you also provide an estimate of how much funds are being withheld because the tips amount is below the withdrawal threshold ?

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#106

Post by hippich »

exDM69 wrote: post #91
randallsquared wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can there be taxation consequences unless you act to set up a bitcoin address and accept the offered tip? If you've done all that, I think it's clear you know what you're doing. If you don't do that, then the money (apparently?) returns to the project you committed to, from whence it came. The only way there could be tax is if you receive the money, and that can only happen by you deliberately becoming involved.

> How can there be taxation consequences unless ... Tax? Perhaps not, but the OP was talking about tax and other legal consequences. These can vary wildly from country to country. My local legislation requires applying for a permit before asking for donations. If a 3rd party would add my projects to this website, I could face criminal charges and the proof of burden would be on me.

you say 'before _collecting_ donations'. just don't _collect_ if you don't want to.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#107

Post by jordanpg »

Cakez0r wrote: post #87
ubernostrum wrote: post #5

I do not normally rant, but tip4commit and its ilk are some of the most infuriating people in the world to deal with, since they're opting other people's projects into something that has all sorts of legal/taxation consequences and think that "we have no way to remove you once you get opted in" is an acceptable answer. I'd push complaints further up to GitHub, since I'm sure something in the way this works violates t…

Those projects are in the public domain. If there are purposes that you don't want your project to be used for then forbid it in the license. When you put your contact information in the public domain and then complain about being notified when somebody has given you money, I feel like you're complaining just for the sake of complaining. Set up filter rules or don't put your contact information on the internet. If I…

> then forbid it in the license

Isn't this really all there is to say on this subject?

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#108

Post by pmh »

brador wrote: post #94
iolsantr wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a project name was trademarked, you might be able to get them for trading on that name, maybe?

Can you trademark open source project names?

I think so, yes. See Iceweasel[0], the custom Debian build of Firefox. I'm not sure that you'd be successful in using trademark law in this particular scenario though.

[0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_re...

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#109

Post by cookiecaper »

dlisboa wrote: post #88
Cakez0r wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving money to open source developers. How parasitical.

Not all open source developers want money for their open source software. You think collecting money using someone else's hard work isn't a bad thing. A hard work that the person explicitly went to the trouble of making free and abstained from any income derived solely from it.

Lots of people want to make money from their open-source projects, directly or indirectly.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by cookiecaper »

Bill_Dimm wrote: post #49
sfk wrote: post #14

If open source parasites like tip4commit don't learn, the next logical step is to trademark projects and send DMCA notices without wasting any further time. Also, with this kind of sleazy behavior, the advertising clause in the BSD license suddenly becomes very appealing again.

I thought DMCA applied to copyright (hence the "C" in the name), not trademark. Am I wrong?

No, you're right. DMCA and trademarks are completely unrelated.
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