Core Secrets: NSA Saboteurs in China and Germany

Post by MisterWebz » Sat, Oct 11, 2014, 7:19 PM UTC

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>But I will say that the NSA's perspective is that: it is only because of the Snowden leaks if we have lost face with allies. To the NSA, the secrets were kept well enough until Snowden and friends disclosed them. Of course that's their perspective, as is the perspective of anyone committing an embarrassing or morally unscrupulous act. "The thing I regret most is getting caught." Secrets of this nature have a tendenc…

> the perspective of anyone committing an embarrassing or morally unscrupulous act In this instance it was embarrassing because it brought into question how well the US would be able to keep secret strategic information. And yeah hacking into allies is pretty unscrupulous. A bunch of the Snowden leaks showed that Israel, France, Germany and others have hacked into us. It's the way it all works. > Secrets of this natu…

Post by xnull » Sat, Oct 11, 2014, 7:53 PM UTC

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Of those 37 countries, only a minor fraction have the budget to operate the way NSA does. That leaves approximately 160 other sovereign entities. Let's say half of them are despotic and don't count. That leaves 80. Out of those I'd wager that more than half are have governments too under-resourced to have the ability to put their people in the kind of panopticon Americans live in. In other words there may be hundreds…

>Of those 37 countries, only a minor fraction have the budget to operate the way NSA does. There will be differences in cost and budget for each nation. The United States has 25% of the world GDP (compared to 4%) of the population. That we can afford to fund the Lamborghini of intelligence operations isn't to discount other states that have less well funded capabilities. You'll see plenty of parallels with traditiona…

Post by lawnchair_larry » Sat, Oct 11, 2014, 8:12 PM UTC

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Because of this. It's likely the NSA is actively subverting American companies. "The most controversial revelation in Sentry Eagle might be a fleeting reference to the NSA infiltrating clandestine agents into “commercial entities.” The briefing document states that among Sentry Eagle’s most closely guarded components are “facts related to NSA personnel (under cover), operational meetings, specific operations, specifi…

This article seems a bit speculative. They don't seem to know for sure that "(A/B/C)" means American companies in this case. Everything else just seems like commentary from themselves and other security experts. As for foreign companies, it's pretty obvious that NSA and CIA have been conducting operations like these for many decades. I'm not going to argue that the NSA has not subverted American companies before (see…

Post by nyolfen » Sat, Oct 11, 2014, 8:49 PM UTC

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I wonder if they're subverting open source encryption software.

Most certainly 100% yes. Here's a pretty swell talk on some of the programs they use to do it. http://mirror.as35701.net/video.fosdem.org//2014/Janson/Sund...

Post by Estragon » Sat, Oct 11, 2014, 9:15 PM UTC

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I wonder if they're subverting open source encryption software.

Most certainly 100% yes. Here's a pretty swell talk on some of the programs they use to do it. http://mirror.as35701.net/video.fosdem.org//2014/Janson/Sund...