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Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Post by scott_karana »

tjradcliffe wrote: post #65
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why gun owners get nervous when people who don't understand firearms try to legislate their ownership.

Your comment implies that there are two classes of people, "gun owners who understand firearms" and "non-gun owners who do not understand firearms". A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics should make it immediately clear that gun ownership and understanding firearms have absolutely nothing to do with each other. I say this as a non-gun-owner who was taught…

Switzerland is a horrible example of a country where guns are inaccessible: mandatory militia services with the ability to retain your weapon afterwards; Government subsidized ammo costs for training and sports in the general populace; a 29% household firearm presence rate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Post by dreamweapon »

giardini wrote: post #78
tjradcliffe wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment implies that there are two classes of people, "gun owners who understand firearms" and "non-gun owners who do not understand firearms". A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics should make it immediately clear that gun ownership and understanding firearms have absolutely nothing to do with each other. I say this as a non-gun-owner who was taught…

Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict: https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm Articles, anecdotes and statistics: https://www.google.com/?q=guns+save+lives

Guns save more lives than they take;

Whether or not this is true, "guns" != fun toys like the AR-15 or the M&P15, the ownership of which is touted by pro-gun activists as some kind of an inalienable right.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Post by joshu »

exDM69 wrote: post #40
buro9 wrote: post #14

This looks awesome. For $1,200 you could set up as a company making little things for others, earn enough to pay for the machine and then benefit from it yourself. What I would do with such a machine is to solve the problem of bike accessories and mounts. i.e. every light has a different mount, as do GPS devices, and cameras, and bag attachments. Yet you could manufacture some common clamp, and then adaptors for each…

This isn't a general purpose CNC milling machine. If you read the whole article, this is specifically designed to mill and drill the lower receivers of AR15, from a piece of aluminum stock called the "80 percent stock", which is a non-functional metal part that is only missing a few holes. If you have grand ideas about bike accessories and other metal objects, you can buy a proper CNC mill which is a bit more expensi…

http://Othermachine.co/

It is a tiny cnc mill. I have one and I love it. I mostly make wooden arty thinks, but I did successfully mill an aluminum car part for some friends.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Post by hga »

na85 wrote: post #82
InfiniteRand wrote: post #71

There is a potential here for there to be a change similar to the 18th century. Suddenly, non-governmental forces or fledgling governments can quickly equip a lightly armed force. For the last 1-2 centuries you needed a manufacturing infrastructure under your control, but a 3-D printer device like this (if I am understanding the article correctly, and perhaps I am not). In the 18th century, relatively low-cost and re…

>eventually there will become some expensive but exceptionally effective weapon only large governments can afford or supply This already exists. Ubiquitous air presence via unmanned drones armed with air-to-ground rockets, missiles, or guided bombs. Sometimes I feel like libertarians and NRA types seriously believe that they (a bunch of angry right-wing hunters or whatever) could actually throw off what they feel are…

You're assuming we'd play by some set of rules that would allow these drones to make enough of a difference.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Post by dreamweapon »

hga wrote: post #87
angersock wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, the two groups actually pointed out by the parent post were "gun owners" and "people who don't understand guns"--we can infer the existence of "gun non-owners" and "people who understand guns". So, don't go putting words in their mouth. That said, yeah, many gun owners don't really understand guns in the technical sense, and have very silly biases (consumer preferences, really) about what is a valid arm to posses…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_McCarthy#Gun_control last paragraph: " When [Tucker] Carlson pressed [Congresswomen Carolyn McCarthy] twice more on the question about barrel shrouds, she admitted that she did not know what a barrel shroud was, and incorrectly stated, 'I believe it is a shoulder thing that goes up.' Carlson replied with, "No, No it's not.' " In case you don't know the meaning of the word shroud:…

And your point is?

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Post by hga »

dreamweapon wrote: post #102
giardini wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict: https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm Articles, anecdotes and statistics: https://www.google.com/?q=guns+save+lives

Guns save more lives than they take; Whether or not this is true, "guns" != fun toys like the AR-15 or the M&P15, the ownership of which is touted by pro-gun activists as some kind of an inalienable right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United...

Which recognizes the unalienable right of self-defense ... and a bit more.

If you think not, you're welcome to try to take them away from us.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Post by worklogin »

stevemck wrote: post #51

Guns scare the shit out of me. When I grew up in Australia where there is basically no guns. I used to walk on streets even on a drunken Friday / Saturday night without fear. I moved to the US a few years ago and since then every corner I turn, I see people and I worry. I don't worry about getting robbed. No. I worry about a gun fight somewhere and a stray bullet hits me. I worry that someone drunk might hold me at g…

If only we could uninvent the CNC and the firearm.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Post by hga »

dreamweapon wrote: post #105
hga wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_McCarthy#Gun_control last paragraph: " When [Tucker] Carlson pressed [Congresswomen Carolyn McCarthy] twice more on the question about barrel shrouds, she admitted that she did not know what a barrel shroud was, and incorrectly stated, 'I believe it is a shoulder thing that goes up.' Carlson replied with, "No, No it's not.' " In case you don't know the meaning of the word shroud:…

And your point is?

The start of this sub-thread is rgrieselhuber saying "This is why gun owners get nervous when people who don't understand firearms try to legislate their ownership."

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Post by prostoalex »

tjradcliffe wrote: post #65
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why gun owners get nervous when people who don't understand firearms try to legislate their ownership.

Your comment implies that there are two classes of people, "gun owners who understand firearms" and "non-gun owners who do not understand firearms". A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics should make it immediately clear that gun ownership and understanding firearms have absolutely nothing to do with each other. I say this as a non-gun-owner who was taught…

> A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics

What do the statistics imply? Per gun-owning capita is the rate of accidental discharge higher, lower, or within the median compared to other populaces around the world?

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Post by sudowhodoido »

hga wrote: post #27
diydsp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> crude (and pretty dangerous) shotgun > "zip guns" This helps people make a fully automatic machine gun, an AR-15, not a single-shot gun.

No, it takes a semi-auto 80% receiver and finished the remaining 20%. (And after that, "Some assembly is required," e.g http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=11004/learn/ .) But if you want to be concerned, look at how utterly simple a full auto (simpler that way, e.g. firing pin is a bump in the bolt face) 9mm Sten gun is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sten (A semi-auto AR15 is a much more capable weapon, BTW.)

This. Sten plans to give you an idea how easy this is:

http://stevespages.com/pdf/sten_mk2_complete_machine_instruc...

Really don't need much of a machine shop to knock one of them out.

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