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The Unexotic Underclass

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Re: The Unexotic Underclass

#101
post #29

I can sum this up so very simply. The way to make the most money is to get as close to money as possible. Hence why finance is such a lucrative career. We are seeing the obvious flaws of capitalism now that capital is no longer tied to low skill labor for manufacturing. Want to make a ton of money 1 year from today and have good credit? Spend your days with an MLS subscription finding under-priced homes to flip in a…

>Want to make a ton of money 1 year from today and have good credit? Spend your days with an MLS subscription finding under-priced homes to flip in a couple weeks. You'll be a millionaire in a year I guarantee it.

Considering only 3% of Americans are millionaires, and assuming >3% of Americans would like to be millionaires, in order for your statement to be valid is if whatever you wrote was some sort of never before thought of revelation.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

#102

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> The most common issue - no email address. Second most common - has email, but has to take the bus to the library to check it. Absolutely. We have come to know a couple of guys, one ex-homeless, who have real troubles here. We lent one an old iPad and that, together will free wifi in coffee shops and malls, has enabled him to talk to government agencies and job centers.

These days you can buy no-name android tablets from Walmart for $44. For example: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ematic-7-Tablet-with-4GB-Memory-an... That's cheap enough that there's no reason for a poor person NOT to have one.

I take it you've never been on the breadline then? There have been times in my life when £5 has been a lot of money, when taking a 2hr walk (each way) to work for the first week, was the only option. It might not seem much, but then if they do buy it, what next? There is no starbucks in their neighbourhood, the library is two buses away, and none of your neighbours have wifi, or are happy to share it with you.

Plus if you are living a chaotic life, keeping hold of something like this, keeping it secure, dry and charged can be a mission in itself. And when times are hard what is going to be the easiest way to get some money (for bus fare to that job)...

So yes, if you are in the right location, with the time and means to get to an open wifi connection, and have the spare money to buy a tool like this, then awesome. But a lot of people aren't.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

#103
post #37

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> no one gives fuck all about the poor. That's blatantly untrue. People care. Ask yourself; how many of your friends "don't give fuck all about the poor"? I find it hard to believe that a majority of people would not wish a better life on poor people. But solving their problems is intimidating, difficult, and probably unprofitable. If the true problem is that poor people are poor because they don't have any money, th…

> how many of your friends "don't give fuck all about the poor"? Almost all of my friends. And I'm from Amsterdam, the Netherlands, generally considered a pretty open-minded, progressive, tolerant and caring place. My friends are educated, middle-class. They're caring and generous to friends and family and have disposable income. But they're extremely hesitant to something even like Kiva - a charity which allows you…

I agree from a distance people don't care. What I've learned is we have to actually live it, for some time, for it to register. Short term experiences people count as inconvenient. Long term experiences people realize it's a problem.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

#104
The article boils down to a basic fact: "The unexotic underclass are unexploitable." Despite all the dancing around this fact, it pops out in the article like a pimple on an ivy leaguing debutant's nose in their weekly dermotalogist face cleansing.

There is more than a hint of the populist a. randist philosophy throughout this article. Maybe this is a cult, and it goes without saying.

The privileged group (such as the author's) consider themselves hero's and the saints of today's countries, the ultimate problem solvers that defeat the overbearing complications of governments and regulation. The expectation of privilege versus the torrent of their own baser instincts that pervades their own reflection, is one even a clever author can not mask with the vanity of the wealthy with the needs of the exploited and poor.

Lets get straight to the point. The 'exotic' underclass are in resource rich regions. Investments into these 'entrepeneurs' is miniscule to the massive profits from the resources from the "emerging third-world countries".

The article is a complaint, that the unexotic underclass is unexploitable. Nothing much else is expected from the a group of sycophants whose main desire was to wheel and deal financial sludge on wall street.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

#105
post #78

> too many brains and dollars have been shoveled into resolving what I call ‘anti-problems’ – interests usually centered about food or fashion or ‘social’or gaming A few things come to mind when I hear people say things like this: 1. This type of complaint usually indicates observer bias. People don't read about, or share, news about boring industries. Go look at the last 25 investments on https://twitter.com/VCdelta…

Excellent post! The easiest way I can think of to help the poor is to change their core values which lead to things like being single mothers and joining the army as a last resort. However, that will seemingly require a ton of investment in education and birth control, which is political suicide for now. You can give them money and time, but you can't give them the ability to disregard their peers' values towards unprotected sex and getting married at 18 and not caring about school.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

#106
Oh boy. What a mess.

So there ARE two sides here.

Side 1 is the "I want to have a startup so that I can do something important to me.

Side 2 is the "I want to have a startup so that I can do something important to others. I will find some way to make this important to me as I go along.

Side 1 folks are tweaking on a moral crusade. Let's change the freaking world, folks!

Side 2 folks are deeply ignorant. I do not know what people want that I can make. Maybe they want better restaurant recommendations based on blood type. Maybe they want job recommendations. Maybe somebody would want jobs for cats. Has anybody done that? Beats me.

If this were a war to improve the future of humanity, Side 1 folks are always the ones charging up the beach on D-Day. Rally after me, men! The cause is just and victory awaits!

Side 2 folks are always trying to find a better way to make the machine gun fit to the machine gun mount. You know, if the bearing fit this other way, machine gunners would have a bigger field of fire....

Side 1 guys are the evangelists. Side 2 guys are the plodders, plodding along. Tinkering.

There is no right or wrong answer here. One out of every 10K or so of the change-the-world guys actually change the world. Very cool! One out of 100 or so of the better machine gun mount guys actually do something that somebody, somewhere finds useful. Very cool!

My problem is when the Side 1 guys go on these long tears about what the rest of us "should" be doing. Dude. I've been working and living in the startup scene for a long time. Am I supposed to get all emotionally fired up because of social injustice? Or perhaps just go do something other folks might find useful? Because that thing where you run on passion for a year and burn out? That's not so much fun.

I love charities. I love hobbies. I think it's fine to have something that's a cross between a hobby and a charity. Perhaps this is what the side 1 guys really want for the rest of us and they are just doing a bad job of explaining it. Or perhaps they should just leave the rest of us alone while we go try to make something useful to somebody, anybody.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

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post #64
post #34

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> It would be impossible for a startup to work with the government in processing Veterns claims, for example. This is changing" http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/08/11... > MOOCs? Don't make me laugh. Most of these people wouldn't want to take one, they are not interested in an Education. They can barely fit in their current paycheck to paycheck lifestyle into their current schedule. That's an ob…

Studying using MOOC requires level of self-motivation that most people - both poor and rich - simply lack. Realistically speaking most MOOC do not add much value on top of a book you can get for free from any public library or buy for $30 on Amazon. Every time new medium is created people think that it will revolutionize education but the last time it was true was when printing press was invented. Radio lectures, TV,…

Are the major MOOC providers doing gamified study on mobile phones? I think that could be effective for basic stuff if it's not already being tried.

A bit like Duolingo which is really well done.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

#108
post #76

I would really love to cater to the unexotic underclass, but how? I mean he goes on and on about how much opportunity there is, but I don't see it. I know how to get 500 white liberal suburbanite young males to pay me $10 per month. They have the money and they love to spend it on tech and gadgetry that makes their lives even more comfortable. But single house mothers? Poor Romanians? How would I even get them to pay…

Fair point. Maybe the answer is, instead of trying to sell something to the poor, look for a way to enable the poor to sell a service to the rich? I mean, two of the biggest success stories in the recent startup scene are Airbnb and Uber. What do they do? Provide a way for people who don't have much money but do have a useful asset (a spare room, a car, respectively) to make a bit of extra cash selling a service to t…

Unfortunately, this is the future. I say unfortunately, because I think if we could see the final version, we'd recoil.

The sharing economy, at heart, is about the monetization of spare capacity. So far it's mostly been physical assets, but spare time is next. Anywhere you find a poor person watching TV (or, god forbid, reading a book) there's spare capacity ready to be monetized. And, why are they sleeping so much? They could be working.

The sharing economy is also about getting around transaction costs. Ideas like "minimum wage" and "minimum shift length" can be viewed as transaction costs that services can route around.

A marginal hour's unskilled labour isn't worth very much. There's always been exploitation of this fact, but web services have the potential to scale it up.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

#109
post #86

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> the ever declining (real) minimum wage The last 30 years of minimum wage adjusted for inflation: http://i.imgur.com/7kRykeS.png I'm not saying it shouldn't be higher, but it's actually currently higher than it was for most of the last 25 years.

As with most issues, there are costs and benefits with the minimum wage. It appears that Norway, Austria and Germany, amongst others, do not see a balance in favor of the benefits. Unsurprisingly their unemployment rates are low. Were I useless to an employer (as once I was) I would rather work for some wage (as I did) rather than exist (and get used to existing) on handouts from the wealth created by other tax payer…

> It appears that Norway, Austria and Germany, amongst others, do not see a balance in favor of the benefits.

Germany just approved a minimum wage.

> Unsurprisingly their unemployment rates are low.

I have never bought this argument. A business hires employees because it has some amount of work it needs to be done. The amount of work to be done doesn't change as a function of how much workers are paid.

Arguing that the minimum wage causes meaningful increase in unemployment is just as silly as arguing that paying CEOs huge salaries does.

You can argue that a minimum wage makes things more expensive: that's likely true, but I'm okay with that.

In any case, if a business requires paying its employees pitiful wages in order to be profitable, that business is unsustainable and should fail.

> I would rather work for some wage (as I did) rather than exist (and get used to existing) on handouts from the wealth created by other tax payers' work.

When wages fall so low that workers can't reasonably afford to live, they might as well be unemployed: there is no functional difference.

I agree though that we as taxpayers should not be required to subsidize corporations unwilling to pay employees livable wages. The solution is a higher minimum wage.

Re: The Unexotic Underclass

#110
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no one gives fuck all about the poor. That's blatantly untrue. People care. Ask yourself; how many of your friends "don't give fuck all about the poor"? I find it hard to believe that a majority of people would not wish a better life on poor people. But solving their problems is intimidating, difficult, and probably unprofitable. If the true problem is that poor people are poor because they don't have any money, th…

> how many of your friends "don't give fuck all about the poor"? Almost all of my friends. And I'm from Amsterdam, the Netherlands, generally considered a pretty open-minded, progressive, tolerant and caring place. My friends are educated, middle-class. They're caring and generous to friends and family and have disposable income. But they're extremely hesitant to something even like Kiva - a charity which allows you…

There is - sadly - a hierarchy of insight which privileges self, then family (sometimes), then friends, then associates and coworkers (more or less), then local community, then country, then other countries, then species, then planet and ecosystem.

The basic problem is that economics rewards smart choices for the earlier items on the list and punishes smart choices for the later ones.

So it's 'not efficient' to think about them.

One hypothetical solution is to make distant pain points personal. If you're directly, immediately impacted by someone else's misfortunes you're going to want to do something about them.

It's possible technology could help with this. But it may have to do it in some unexpected and new ways.

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