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Re: Sense – Wake up when it's right for you

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Post by gdubs »

r00fus wrote: post #94
YZF wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Babies need to eat/nurse frequently. We've evolved to be highly dependent on our parents until a fairly old age. The solution that worked for us was for the baby to sleep in our bed next to mom. Then this whole wake/nurse cycles basically happens without fully waking up. I realize some people are concerned about rolling on the baby but this is extremely rare/improbable for normal/healthy people. It's a somewhat contr…

As for the rollover issue, many folks co-sleep with their babies. We did it with all 3 of ours. Apparently babies really really like your breath - the CO2 helps them develop their lung motion. The key is to not be inebriated or taking sleeping meds while doing so. There are also co-sleeper attachments that make cribs accessible to mommy without having the baby sleep on the bed and thus not ever in danger of rollover.

Dr McKenna at Notre Dame does research in this area [1].

Apparently the biggest risks (from what I recall) is the typical 'western' bed contains a lot of obstructions and places to get trapped: headboards, blankets and sheets, etc. Japan has one of the lower SIDS rates, and co-sleeping is very common there -- but beds are low to the ground, and I guess heavy bedding is uncommon.

http://cosleeping.nd.edu

Re: Sense – Wake up when it's right for you

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Post by philbarr »

zephjc wrote: post #93
philbarr wrote: post #90

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Yeah I think that would have been a nice thing to do, but there's no way we could after all the scare stories we were told.

Unless you sleepwalk, or are a 'flailer' there's little risk to sleeping with an infant in bed with you. Idea for testing it out: get a cabbage patch doll, hard boil an egg and shell it, put the egg in a clear ziplock bag, and tape the bag to doll. Check if it's squished in the morning. You may need multiple eggs on different limbs, maybe multiple eggs per bag, to account for the full size of the doll.

The problem is you would need to repeat this experiment every day for 8 months - and even then that's not enough data for a new parent to be confident. It only needs to go wrong once remember.

You're playing the odds. Some children die because they get accidentally smothered in their parent's beds. You can either take the (very small) risk that this will happen and sleep with your child in bed, or you can just not play the game at all.

And for most, I think whilst the reward is "good", the failure is just unthinkably horrific.

Re: Sense – Wake up when it's right for you

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Post by aaronem »

gordjw wrote: post #98
aaronem wrote: post #77

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> most likely if you are trying to solve a health/lifestyle problem by purchasing something, that is just symptomatic of yet another unhealthy aspect of your lifestyle Tell that to the thirty pounds I've lost, over the last couple months, by dint of using a Basis band to track calories out, and logging what I eat to do the same for calories in.

Could you have done it without the band though?

Not and have any idea how close I am to my target deficit; I'd either err low and fail to lose the weight, or err high and badly endanger my health via malnutrition. With the band, I know exactly where I'm coming in on a daily basis, and I can, for example, plot calorie deficit over delta-weight and see where I should be aiming for best effect.

In general, I'm surprised to see such a Luddite attitude espoused on HN. What kind of engineer doesn't see the value in collecting the necessary data to characterize a problem or a process accurately? That's Step One.

Re: Sense – Wake up when it's right for you

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Post by aaronem »

aaronem wrote: post #67
desireco42 wrote: post #57

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So I was looking for Basis to maybe release next version of their device, then they got acquired by Intel and I was hoping it will not die horrible death, yet from your description this is what is happening. I am using Fitbit and Basis is what I really need. I think by next year we will have something along the lines that Basis promised.

My Basis band is actually the second revision of the hardware ("Basis Carbon Steel" vs "Basis B1"). If you're thinking about buying, I definitely recommend avoiding the 1.0 version, which uses a rather bizarre custom band arrangement that apparently has a nasty habit of falling apart under heavy load; the Carbon Steel version takes a standard 26mm watch band. And I can't really knock Basis on the hardware score; the…

Make that $150; they've knocked fifty bucks off the price since I got mine a month ago. I wonder if they're about to rev the hardware again.

Re: Sense – Wake up when it's right for you

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Post by njharman »

colmvp wrote: post #58
njharman wrote: post #48

The body works amazingly well when taken care of and listened too. Really. Instead of hyper tracking every aspect of your life [and making assumptions based on that data] Just exercise, eat well, no caffeine, minimal sugar/food after dark, get 10+min of sun around noon, go to sleep when tired. All of which is almost impossible for 90% of people who are forced into regimented, high stress, excessive work lives.

I love the taste of coffee and tea, both of which have caffeine. Curious, why 10+ minutes of sun at noon?

Body needs to know when to sleep. With all our artificial light it's easy to skew ones Circadian Rhythm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_clock

Re: Sense – Wake up when it's right for you

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Post by njharman »

bnejad wrote: post #82
njharman wrote: post #48

The body works amazingly well when taken care of and listened too. Really. Instead of hyper tracking every aspect of your life [and making assumptions based on that data] Just exercise, eat well, no caffeine, minimal sugar/food after dark, get 10+min of sun around noon, go to sleep when tired. All of which is almost impossible for 90% of people who are forced into regimented, high stress, excessive work lives.

Why no sugar/food after dark? Any links?

Sugar gives you energy, makes you hyper. Energy and hyper not conductive to sleep. nightime is sleeptime. As least that is what your body expects when not amped on caffeine, sugar and other stimulants.

Re: Sense – Wake up when it's right for you

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Post by r00fus »

gdubs wrote: post #101
r00fus wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As for the rollover issue, many folks co-sleep with their babies. We did it with all 3 of ours. Apparently babies really really like your breath - the CO2 helps them develop their lung motion. The key is to not be inebriated or taking sleeping meds while doing so. There are also co-sleeper attachments that make cribs accessible to mommy without having the baby sleep on the bed and thus not ever in danger of rollover.

Dr McKenna at Notre Dame does research in this area [1]. Apparently the biggest risks (from what I recall) is the typical 'western' bed contains a lot of obstructions and places to get trapped: headboards, blankets and sheets, etc. Japan has one of the lower SIDS rates, and co-sleeping is very common there -- but beds are low to the ground, and I guess heavy bedding is uncommon. http://cosleeping.nd.edu

Are SIDS and co-sleeping linked? It appears that SIDS is actually reduced by properly co-sleeping (non-smoking, non-drug-impaired parent) [1]

[1] http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/health-concerns/sleep-probl...

Re: Sense – Wake up when it's right for you

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Post by exodust »

hoopism wrote: post #42

Those videos have no substance... I realize in marketing that it doesn't ALWAYS make sense to layout all the details but these types of wearable/smart devices have been blowing up and the claims get more and more vague. I get agitated watching these. I find myself saying "What does it actually do!?" throughout the whole thing. I could completely be missing the boat on this trend but things like this and the weird eye…

The money shot is the alarm that apparently knows when you should wake up.

I found the video hard to listen to. The guy has a bedside tone going on, a bit sleazy in his efforts to endorse the product with smooth caring ambience!

Re: Sense – Wake up when it's right for you

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Post by gordjw »

aaronem wrote: post #104
gordjw wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you have done it without the band though?

Not and have any idea how close I am to my target deficit; I'd either err low and fail to lose the weight, or err high and badly endanger my health via malnutrition. With the band, I know exactly where I'm coming in on a daily basis, and I can, for example, plot calorie deficit over delta-weight and see where I should be aiming for best effect. In general, I'm surprised to see such a Luddite attitude espoused on HN.…

Yeah, I love to collect data on my running, for example. But my point is I'd (and probably you would also) be doing it anyway, with or without the data.

The basis band you mention looks pretty cool though, going to check that out further.

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