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Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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Hey, I feel you. I'm not Asian, but I'm introvert. I'm a tad younger, at 20 years old. I'm also unemployed (yay!). Anyway, I've never have tons of friends, but after finishing high school, I've cut almost every relations that I've had with others (on one side, I've never had a friendship outside school, on the other side, it's my fault since I'm not good at maintaining relations). So you could say that I'm currently…

Also, regarding English, there's some chance you could find people learning your native language who'd love to have a conversation with a native-speaker; in my city we have such weekly meetings organized in some café. Similarly, we do also have some websites where people are offering "help in exchange for help", you might again find someone wanting to practice your language in exchange for e.g. teaching/talking with you in English; or as you you're firstly into relations at all, you could just find someone you could help in something, and you can also "hide" it behind a request that he/she helps you in something else (again, could be just learning English).

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#102
Here's my opinionated two cents.

I'm 27 and an introvert and I think that the biggest change that I've experienced these past few years has been to loosen up my thinking regarding what others think of me. This has helped me to be more relaxed around other people, and that leads to body language changes, which again leads to other people subconsciously behaving more positively around and towards me. Later I've come to understood that I was viewed as a cold and non-caring, whereas in reality I was shit scared and stiff around other people. Also one thing that I've come to recognize after reading some articles and doing self-studying is, that my batteries drain around other people, and I need alone-time to recharge them. Whereas for extroverts the drain-charge cycle works exactly the opposite way.

I'm getting a bit off-track here. Let me comment on some of the writings in the comments: I'm not sure if it's an "america"-thing, but I don't know many people at all that want to talk about themselves. It's not like I would want to talk about myself, I know myself already. Ofcourse that helps the other person get to know me, but personally I think that the other person is immensely more interesting in regards to whom to talk about. So beware of going all-out on making the other person tell things about themselves, one might come to feel uneasy quite fast.

What sn0wBuM said. You need to _actually_ care about other people to keep in contact with them. I apparently don't, because only ever I contact other people when I want to be with them for one reason or another or need something from them. Hence most of the time I dont keep in contact, and that is just the way I am. Contacting someone just to say "Hi, what's up! Long time no see!" and having a half-assed conversation when neither of the party has anything real to say is, in my opinion, one of the stupidest things to do. Though this part of my behavior might be heavily affected by my nationality, Finnish, because we are silent and (look) grumpy most of the time, nor de we have a concept of "small talk". We mean business or we rarely talk.

And while books are good, academic knownledge of how to socialize doesn't do the trick. Actually doing, does.

Meeting new people? Well. You're among people now, so get to know some odd pervert on the net around the same shady corners you spend your time on and you might actually find more deeper friend-relationships than trying to find people offline, where the variety and amount of choices might not be as vast. I found like-minded people at conventions and via board-games. If you don't feel like you fit (for real, not under self-pity), then don't try to fit, and find another kind of people.

Unless your language is unintelligible, then I don't believe for a second it to be a problem. If you're nice person at heart, it usually shines through. But if you are an obnoxious person, you're obnoxious no matter if you master the language perfectly. As long as you get the point through :)

"Making friends is incredibly difficult for adults." Bull. Most adults try "to be adult" (not jumping with one leg in the air at center of the street etc. "dummy" things), which makes it more difficult to get to know them, because they try to blend in and not be individuals (but they all want to). So if you can overcome _your_ fear of trying to communicate with people, others rarely stop you. (Though don't start a conversation plain-blank on the streets with a stranger in Finland for the sake of befriending them, they might think you are loose from a mental hospital.)

I dont talk much. I don't (can't) take part in conversations because 99% of the time I have absolutely nothing to say. And besides, "it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt". But when I say something, I usually have something meaningful to say, even though if this kind of behavior leads me to being mostly a purpose-oriented person in the eyes of others. I'm me, and if everyone were alike, things would be pretty boring.

It takes all sorts of men to make the society. And in my opinion it's better to be one of those that thinks about these things than to be like the vast majority of testosterone-driven competitive buffs.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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I'd highly recommend doing two things in parallel. 1. Read How to win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. 2. Try to talk to someone new every day. On item 1 - I promise that it's not as lame as the title makes it sound. If you internalize the core advice behind this book it will drastically improve your life and it will make you a better person. On item 2 - don't go overboard with this. There's no need to…

> One last thing... I'm not sure that this will help any, but language is really tricky. I'm an American living in New Zealand. I'm sure my language issues pale in comparison, but I am constantly second-guessing myself. It's not that I'm worried that people won't understand me, it's that I'd rather communicate in a way that's natural to the people who are listening to me -- I'm sure you can relate. What I'd say is th…

> Have you run into this?

Yes. I have two examples. One glaring, and one subtle.

First the glaring one: the word "cunt." In the US it's quite offensive to call someone a cunt, and even using the word in conversation is considered quite "low." Here it's also an offensive thing to call somebody, but it's not quite as ghastly as we'd make it out to be back home. You certainly wouldn't use the word in a professional setting, but were you in a pub you might not be too surprised to overhear someone using it. Also there are degrees to this word here. In the states someone either is a cunt or they are not. Here you might be "a bit of a cunt." For whatever reason I find that difference amusing.

Second, the subtle one - the word "average." In the states it has no connotation. We typically use it in a very mathematical sense. If we call something "average" we mean it's close to the mean/median of our experience of that thing. Here it has a very negative connotation. It seems to mean "the absolute minimum necessary to be passable."

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#104
Why not just go to meetups? Hackathons Language learning meetups Board Games

Is there an app for "never eat alone" - meet people over lunch?

It's still not easy, I know... I tend to make at most one or two new friends per year. And these days, most people end up watching TV or surfing the net after work, so it requires real effort to motivate people to meet.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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Hey, +1000 for online gaming. I'm an moderate introvert with some greats friends. Nowadays I play a lot a certain MMO. I met some greats & awesome people, even had some meetup IRL. I've met people working at Apple, Blizzard & more. We shared passion & experience, it got me some business opportunity too. The world is so small it's amazing.

-10000 for online gaming. You don't know it yet but online gaming can ruin your life. It's the most accessible, inoffensive looking, procrastination enhancing, important decision delaying, time wasting, addictive habit/hobby/relaxation.

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Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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Obviously, you want to change somthing in your live - therefore you have to start doing new things. Start doing things you always wanted to try and are social and enforce human contact in real life. Skype, MMORPG etc are not a complete interaction as they lack body language and don't develope a lot of subtle communication skill.

Look for hobbies which can be done on a regular basis in clubs ("Hi there! -smile- I am new here, explain me how you are doing xyz) or surprise your coworkers with a random idea ("guys a always wanted to play paintball, who's in? ... Common its a one-off")

Be decisive. Tell people about your decisions and passions.

It seems to me, that you are VERY grounded (calm, sophisticated in the way you do things). You should develop a certain volume of aggressivity and begin to take a risk.

Concerning woman, checkout [1]. However, things they say can be applied to every human interaction!

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPCU03Dp8Zw

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#107

I'd highly recommend doing two things in parallel. 1. Read How to win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. 2. Try to talk to someone new every day. On item 1 - I promise that it's not as lame as the title makes it sound. If you internalize the core advice behind this book it will drastically improve your life and it will make you a better person. On item 2 - don't go overboard with this. There's no need to…

100% agree on How to Win Friends and Influence People. Classic book. The title makes the book sound dubious, but it really isn't.

Another vote for How to Win Friends and Influence People. It's a very positive book (without being annoyingly positive) and has lots of great advice in the form of anecdotes or backstories of famous people. Greatly recommended, see also [1] if you need more convincing.

[1]: http://stackoverflow.com/a/38227/181497

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#108
Are you necessarily an introvert, or do you find it difficult to interact with people because of language/cultural barriers? I say this because extreme introverts enjoy being alone. I used to think I leaned toward introversion, but gradually between high school and college I realized that I enjoyed having a big circle of friends--what I didn't enjoy was the social context of school. I'm a drinks in a nice lounge kinda guy, and the social scene in college was more house parties, tail gates, and/or video game tournaments. One of the nice things about post-graduation is that you have a range of social settings to choose from.

My advice would be to stop thinking of yourself as an "introvert" and understand that you're probably somewhere in the middle, like most people. Figure out what kind of social context you like and gravitate to that. Don't assume because you're an "asian engineer" that the best fit for you is that stereotypical social context. I'm a first generation immigrant, went to math/science high school, went to engineering school, but half my friends are public interest lawyers. I gravitate to that personality type. Your words suggest that you put yourself in a box, but that doesn't have to be the case.

Also, don't assume you're "awkward." Maybe you are, but here's a secret: a lot of the people you think of as "socially normal" simply have a head start by virtue of having grown up in this culture. There's a lot of forced childhood socialization that immigrants miss out on: church, block parties, etc. My wife used to go to cornfield parties as a kid in Iowa. That kind of low-key, parentally-supervised, non-threatening socialization helps build basic skills, but its something immigrant kids often miss out on because their families don't feel comfortable participating in the community.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#109
Start by never apologizing in advance.

Proceed by talking to people about topics you are familiar with or have common grounds. E.g. if you are a ruby guy go to ruby meetups. To make things even easier you could try finding people speaking your mother tongue in these areas.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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I wanted to add, among all the advice here, that you should consider improving your body. Work on getting as fit as you can reasonably become to attain your ideal self. That's something you can work on alone, it'll give you a great conversational piece when talking to someone (e.g. about diet and self hacking), it'll improve your energy and mental clarity so that you can carry an interesting conversation, you'll have more self confidence, and people will be in general more attracted to you.
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