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Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

#101

Post by criley2 »

the_watcher wrote: post #55
criley2 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because third party iOS developers are still second class citizens compared to Apple in-house developers. Google doesn't make third party developers second class citizens: it makes apps using the same tools and apis as available to everyone, and distributes them the same way that everyone else distributes their apps. This is a step forward for Apple, but for example: Safari will remain the only browser available on i…

>> Apple's version of Safari will remain versions ahead of UIWebView meaning that any non-Safari browser will remain inferior by intentional design. My hope is that deep-linking can make this somewhat irrelevant. If you can deep link to Safari from where you'd otherwise use UIWebView, and design a system that allows you to return to the app you were in when you finish (an easy one, like letting the back button take y…

But it means IMO that innovation and competition are limited on iOS.

On Android, I use Firefox (with the real gecko engine), Chrome Beta and Dolphin. I mainly use Firefox, which is a great mobile browser that fully supports extensions, and has some incredible mobile extensions.

These kinds of innovations are imposssible in iOS, and deeplinking only hides the fact that real innovation in mobile is impossible on iOS.

I don't want to use Apple's evolutionary improved one-size-fits-all-app, I want to see what real competition in an open marketplace is capable of achieving.

Think of this: in a world where mobile rules desktop by a huge margin, and a world where iOS rules all other smartphones, the only major browser developers would work for Apple and no one else would be able to compete by design. It's unrealistic, but possible. I don't like not having choice, and being told that Apple knows best.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by dragonwriter »

wrboyce wrote: post #98
criley2 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because third party iOS developers are still second class citizens compared to Apple in-house developers. Google doesn't make third party developers second class citizens: it makes apps using the same tools and apis as available to everyone, and distributes them the same way that everyone else distributes their apps. This is a step forward for Apple, but for example: Safari will remain the only browser available on i…

> Safari will remain the only browser available on iOS https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/chrome-web-browser-by-google... > ...meaning that any non-Safari browser will remain inferior by intentional design But you just said Safari is the only browser?

More accurately, Safari is (and presumably will remain) the only browser engine, but its possible for third party apps to reskin the engine and provide certain limited differences in non-core functionality and call it a different "browser".

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

#103

Post by criley2 »

wrboyce wrote: post #98
criley2 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because third party iOS developers are still second class citizens compared to Apple in-house developers. Google doesn't make third party developers second class citizens: it makes apps using the same tools and apis as available to everyone, and distributes them the same way that everyone else distributes their apps. This is a step forward for Apple, but for example: Safari will remain the only browser available on i…

> Safari will remain the only browser available on iOS https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/chrome-web-browser-by-google... > ...meaning that any non-Safari browser will remain inferior by intentional design But you just said Safari is the only browser?

wrboyce, you linked me Chrome for iOS.

I covered that in my post, please keep up: Chrome for iOS is powered by Safari on iOS, because Apple refuses to allow any other developer use the developers own code and libraries. Chrome is prevented from using Google's inhouse Blink rendering engine and the majority of the rest of the Chrome code and features we know and love on every other platform including Android.

Chrome is forced to use UIWebView, which is an OUTDATED and OLDER version of Safari than Safari.

If you use Chrome on iOS, you are getting an INFERIOR browser because Apple dictated that all other browsers must A) use Safari as their internal and B) must use outdated and old versions of Safari so they don't and can't compete with Safari fairly.

Which is MY WHOLE POINT, really, that Apple holds back innovation.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

#104

Post by wrboyce »

criley2 wrote: post #97
ceejayoz wrote: post #65

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> Claims like "99% of malware exist on Android" didn't prevent Apple users across the west from having their devices hijacked for ransom. The feature used for this - remote locking of a stolen/lost phone - is present on both Android and iOS, as are weak passwords. That you're acting like that's an issue with the hardware/software involved is a good indication that you're trolling or fanboying.

"That you're acting like that's an issue with the hardware/software involved is a good indication that you're trolling or fanboying." I'm pointing out that just because Tim Cook makes a random hypey statement, it doesn't MEAN anything. I rightfully showed that iOS, without malware, is suffering from hijacks that aren't occurring in Android. Personally, if remote locking is capable of a hijack, I'd call that malware,…

> Personally, if remote locking is capable of a hijack, I'd call that malware, but that's just semantics.

This seems a curious view for a self-professed "tech-forward developer". Your logic can extend to a lot of things. My credit card... Is that malware in my bank if someone guesses my PIN?

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by bitsoda »

Apple's iOS support for older products has been stellar, though I'm betting iOS 8 will be the last update the iPad mini, iPad 2, and iPhone 4S receive -- they will have had a good run of four years (except for mini) by the time iOS 9 is released.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

#106

Post by [deleted] »

criley2 wrote: post #97
ceejayoz wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Claims like "99% of malware exist on Android" didn't prevent Apple users across the west from having their devices hijacked for ransom. The feature used for this - remote locking of a stolen/lost phone - is present on both Android and iOS, as are weak passwords. That you're acting like that's an issue with the hardware/software involved is a good indication that you're trolling or fanboying.

"That you're acting like that's an issue with the hardware/software involved is a good indication that you're trolling or fanboying." I'm pointing out that just because Tim Cook makes a random hypey statement, it doesn't MEAN anything. I rightfully showed that iOS, without malware, is suffering from hijacks that aren't occurring in Android. Personally, if remote locking is capable of a hijack, I'd call that malware,…

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Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

#107

Post by criley2 »

criley2 wrote: post #97
ceejayoz wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Claims like "99% of malware exist on Android" didn't prevent Apple users across the west from having their devices hijacked for ransom. The feature used for this - remote locking of a stolen/lost phone - is present on both Android and iOS, as are weak passwords. That you're acting like that's an issue with the hardware/software involved is a good indication that you're trolling or fanboying.

"That you're acting like that's an issue with the hardware/software involved is a good indication that you're trolling or fanboying." I'm pointing out that just because Tim Cook makes a random hypey statement, it doesn't MEAN anything. I rightfully showed that iOS, without malware, is suffering from hijacks that aren't occurring in Android. Personally, if remote locking is capable of a hijack, I'd call that malware,…

If someone could use an app developed by the bank for you, and use that bank software to gain unlawful access to your bank account and hijack your bank account, then that app could semantically be called "malicious software".

I disagree with your unfair oversimplification in your analogy, because I think it dilutes the point into nonsense.

I also dislike that you're ignoring the fact that I am obviously being glib and have dropped several context clues for you, and yet you're ignoring them to attack/insult me ("for a so-called developer"). Please don't play dumb!

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

#108

Post by slipshod »

Totally on a tangent here, but I find myself disappointed, again.

I'm a long time hobbyist programmer, got my start back in the days of Apple IIe, got my first Mac in 1984...and I'm still not switching back to iPhone until I can write my own software and run it on my own phone without paying Apple for the privilege.

I'm waiting for two simple words: "Unknown sources". Guess I have to wait some more. Not sure how low Apple's market share will have to go before they start allowing it.

Can't say I love programming for Android, Java just doesn't feel right to me, but I'm sticking with it as long as I can write my own software, run it on my phone or tablet, share it with others, even sell it without Google's permission.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by georgemcbay »

dragonwriter wrote: post #77
thebokehwokeh2 wrote: post #64

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Traffic integration is most probably Google's acquisition of Waze. It'll probably only get better.

Google Maps definitely made traffic-based time estimates for routes and (AFAICT) also made route choices based on traffic before the Waze acquisition, though its traffic data has gotten better since the Waze acquisition (particularly, it extends to more non-freeway routes) and it has more information on the source of traffic problems (which appears to be largely directly because of Waze, since it credits information…

This is true, Google Maps definitely has done traffic avoidance for years, even before the Waze acquisition. I think prior to Waze it was a completely self-contained reporting system though (other people using Google Nav on Android were automatically/anonymously feeding their speed/route back to the homebase and that was used to detect traffic anomalies). Presumably they now have more data to work from.
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