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Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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> ... decide privacy is the more worthy goal... Essentially you are saying, My information is mine and should be under my control because privacy. But your information is "imaginary property" and anyone should be able to take it whenever they wish, because dying business models corruption crooks. Hilarious!

Actually no, what I'm saying is that what I choose to say to a friend should not be subject to a third party that demands to listen in. If my friend betrays my trust and shares the contents of that communication, then I can't do much about that. You're right that I've described a tradeoff and simply assumed the case is closed - I mean, where does this right to privacy come from even? And to me, the answer that settle…

> Actually no, what I'm saying is that what I choose to say to a friend should not be subject to a third party that demands to listen in.

So when you're "saying something" to a friend that is gigabytes of an exact copy of a movie that somebody else created, why should you be the only one having complete control over it? Trust me, the "third party" has no interest in listening in to what you have to say if you are "saying" stuff that is of no interest to them. But when you intermingle "somebody else's" information with "your" own, obviously that somebody else will feel entitled to, at the least, "listen in".

> And to me, the answer that settles that question is physics ...

Not sure what the point is, but note that all the encryption in the world (allegedly) didn't keep your information out of the NSA's fingers. All the NSA-rage that gets poured on HN on a daily basis, and nobody realizes that they've been doing the same to the music, movie and game industries since the dawn of computers?

> (PS. It's easier to have an honest debate when you don't knock down straw men with dismissive snide marks like 'Hilarious!'. You might even end up understanding a different point of view - and don't worry, that does not mean you need to agree with it.)

It's not a strawman, you just missed my point: It's always amusing that the same people who are so strongly pro-privacy -- essentially your right to control information that you deem to be your own -- are also so dismissive about others' rights to control what they deem to be their information. The irony is overwhelming.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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> ... decide privacy is the more worthy goal... Essentially you are saying, My information is mine and should be under my control because privacy. But your information is "imaginary property" and anyone should be able to take it whenever they wish, because dying business models corruption crooks. Hilarious!

There is a very real difference between people voluntarilly sharing the information they have, and breaking and entering into someones personal networks to steal stuff. When you torrent a file, you are never participating in an involuntary transaction. And very little torrented material is procured through breaking into secure networks - an example of that would be the half life 2 prerelease source break in. These ar…

have no idea what "breaking and entering" has to do with this. My point is simply this: you feel very strongly that you should be able to control "your" information, yet you feel that others who feel they should control "their" information are wrong. (Here, by "you" I mean the strongly pro-privacy folks who are anti-IP. If you believe all information should be free, including your private data, well, at least you're being consistent.)

Note that contrary to your implicit belief, your information is not always locked away, undistributed, in a vault in your basement either; it's all over the place, in the form of every government record on you, every bank account you have, every financial transaction you make and every online account you have. Especially the latter: every move you make on the Internet is tracked by those who monetize it. You are not "sharing" your information, but it exists out there.

And yet you feel violated when somebody accesses it without your consent. Ask yourself why that is. It's simply because you left that information there with an implicit understanding that that information would be used only for purposes that you agree to.

And the same goes for content creators: they don't "voluntarily give away their information", they distribute it with the understanding that those who experience it would compensate for them for it. And they, similarly, feel violated when people access it without due recompense.

IP and privacy are both flip sides of the same coin. After all, the only thing the NSA has on you is a sequence of polarized magnetic splotches on a composite disk.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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>costs for running it were minimal What makes you say that?

There's a quote from 2006 saying that their monthly hosting costs where 15k SEK (2k USD). But also, one of the owners of the hosting company was also the one running the tpb site.

They were not even at the height of their popularity in 2006. And that (very new) hosting company was raided and all 190 of their machines were confiscated, even though only 11 were being used by TPB.

They scaled up a lot from that point too, so that is not an accurate picture of their costs at all.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Relevant: If you haven't seen it, TPB: AFK is a fantastic documentary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPB_AFK http://watch.tpbafk.tv/

Not enough to fully understand the situation, but great documentary. Highly recommended. Freely available, of course, so here's a magnet link, for those unwilling to open their PirateBrowser / to bypass TPB censorship. magnet:?xt=urn:btih:98a2faaf2393aa4494bdc4f01f50ec3d010de8cf&dn=TPB%20AFK%202013%20The%20Pirate%20Bay%20Away%20From%20Keyboard%20SimonKlose&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A…

Youtube version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTOKXCEwo_8

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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OK so I never knew Peter, but I knew Gottfried. And I live next to Laos and Cambodia. Full disclosure: I am presently in Luxembourg, solidifying legal situation for cryptographic currencies, and we are kicking ass.

Just this morning I was reading Peter's blog, including the Swedish parts, and although I don't have the background on the (dis)agreements between the various TPB founders, I know they are all legit people.

The fact that Peter got smacked-down is clearly a result of his political positioning, and nothing to do with anything else.

The reality we are living in is this: keep quiet, shut up , and you are OK. Start talking like I am now, and they target you. Well, fuck you US authorities. We are fucking free, and we will keep talking, and we will fucking send you to the graveyard of anachronisms that you belong in.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Not trying to be a troll, but aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale? I've never understood why so much of the Internet community thinks downloading software and/or movies that is meant to be paid for is ok.

I have my own feelings about it which that it is not really theft, but perhaps it is worth considering that the work of musicians and artists is devalued. I hear a lot of rationalization about how the artists don't get any money anyway, but I personally think that is a separate issue from sharing music. It's an interesting question, especially when you mention software. Because here on HN and other forums I get the i…

Every time someone talks about piracy, someone just have to bring up GPL.

GPL says: Do what ever you want with the program so long no one become restricted by your actions.

If you patch it and send a proprietary version to someone, it will still be the same program. The difference will be the added restriction. The software license only uses copyright to enforce a "share, and share alike" concept.

Using copyright to restrict distribution, ala the proprietary model, is not the same as enforcing a share alike concept. They might use the same law, but the underlying concept is completely separate. Free and open source licenses are also not commonly enforced against individuals, but proprietary software is.

Or to summarize: Restrict restrictions is good. Breaking restrictions is good. Ignoring restrictions is good. Each 3 is consistent with each other.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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I don't think I'd be really comfortable with convicted serial murderers walking around. Hell, any murderer. Manslaughter can be a mistake or an accident, but if you intentionally aggressively killed someone I'd rather not be walking past you on a street or participating with you in an open market... I don't believe in the death penalty, but I also believe an essential function of prison is to remove the irredeemable…

It's hard to argue with a country that has such low criminality rate. The options are strange from an American perspective, but they work. Naturally there are many many other factors influencing crime rates, but the numbers point towards our position being the correct one, not the other way around. Then again, I don't think we ever had a serial killer. Maybe one, in the sixties, still unsolved. It's just probabilitie…

Broad based crime rates and 'that one guy raped and killed a bunch of people' are two dramatically different things. Having a hard limit in sentences ignores the fact that in any population there are a tiny handful of outliers that can never be rehabilitated and should never see the light of day in free society again. Arguably the average punishment is too high but the extreme punishment is too low. If the maximum sentence is 25 years, one does a car thief get? Because I personaly feel that anyone that commits murder is more than 25x as bad for society as a thief.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

#110
It looks like he was the Pirate Party candidate for European parliament in recent elections, but was not successful. It also means, that his immunity from prosecution as a candidate has just finished and the arrest was possible.

Quote from the article: "In Finland, where Pirate Bay founder Peter Sunde sought a seat, counting the Party secured just 0.7 per cent of the vote." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/26/european_voters_make...

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