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A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto
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Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Behavior like that is not acceptable for someone in a position of authority at a company no matter what the context. (It's not clear what Moghadam's specific role at Rap Genius was, but he did have a seat on the board of directors) It's the same reason that we shouldn't let blind people fly commercial airliners. Flying requires vision. Running a company requires good judgement.
> Behavior like that is not acceptable for someone in a position of authority at a company no matter what the context. Says who? It's not like the company is Disney. For some companies such antics are par for the course (e.g a gangsta rap record company).
Things that are "par for the course" aren't necessarily acceptable, as we all know.
Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
You know, speaking as a dude it's pretty insulting to see you insinuate that I'm some pent up murder machine held in check only so long as I keep my dick wet.
You're probably not. But if the mere observation that some men do risky, strange, violent things as part of their drive for sex strikes you as a personal insult, then you are too sensitive.
I think he's offended that one crazy person's actions have turned into a generalization about men (yes, "some men" qualifies it, but since you can't tell "some men" from all the other men, any action that's meant to affect these "some men" affects all men, hence nullifying the qualifier. Furthermore, your grandparent didn't even use the "some").
A much fairer (and still true) statement would be "some people do risky, strange, violent things as part of their drive for sex." If you want to further dissect the issue into the different kind of strange and violent things men do vs. other genders' behaviors, that's fine too, but by comparing Rodgers to "some men," the implication is made that his actions are endemic to men (they're not -- they're endemic to violent, crazy people).
Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why not? Because it's just one kid. The sample size is too small.
Sorry, but no. Ok, not everybody is going to kill girls because they rejected you, but almost every man understand at least some of the feelings + frustrations he experienced (especially virgins). To deny this is to deny the huge elephant in the room - the fact that men do have the primal need for sex, and when it's denied/suppressed, bad things happen as that need goes unfulfilled.
If you feel frustrated to the point where you fantasize about killing people who reject your advances, please get help.
Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're probably not. But if the mere observation that some men do risky, strange, violent things as part of their drive for sex strikes you as a personal insult, then you are too sensitive.
I think he's offended that one crazy person's actions have turned into a generalization about men (yes, "some men" qualifies it, but since you can't tell "some men" from all the other men, any action that's meant to affect these "some men" affects all men, hence nullifying the qualifier. Furthermore, your grandparent didn't even use the "some"). A much fairer (and still true) statement would be "some people do risky,…
Maybe a more cogent point is, crazy violent people find a ready culture of misogyny to hang their urges on. Again and again and again, its women that are the target. This can and should be changed. I hope one day soon its no more accepted to publish 'player handbooks' than it is to distribute KKK race hate messages.
Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, but no. Ok, not everybody is going to kill girls because they rejected you, but almost every man understand at least some of the feelings + frustrations he experienced (especially virgins). To deny this is to deny the huge elephant in the room - the fact that men do have the primal need for sex, and when it's denied/suppressed, bad things happen as that need goes unfulfilled.
If you feel frustrated to the point where you fantasize about killing people who reject your advances, please get help.
That's an extremely unfair reading of the parent comment. If you want to make that as a general point, at least depersonalize it, addressing to 'someone' or 'anyone', rather than a second-person direct-address.
Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto
#107I can appreciate RG's leadership having the self-awareness to see the need to make an Adult Decision in this case, but I think it's probably a mistake for them to continue hosting the Rodgers diary. Contrary to Moghadam's comments, the diary is not particularly well-written. It's long, repetitive, weirdly detailed (the author recounts meals eaten years ago), and studded with evidence of psychopathy. RG's style of ann…
> studded with evidence of psychopathy Very curious - what are the stylistic signatures of psycopathy?
It is a mixture of psychopathy and megalomania. He expresses a belief that women exist to provide men with sex, and his anger stems from a belief that women have been given the power to choose who to have sex with yet failed to choose him. He believes that he is better than everyone else and is angry that women are having sex with "inferior" men. He does not think killing other people is a problem; he thinks that his own death is the worst outcome of his plot, made necessary only because the alternative is to live in a jail cell. He also describes killing his roommates as necessary, lest they get in the way of his plot (which included torturing people in his apartment).
In his ideal world, there would be a benevolent dictator -- "benevolent" in this context includes exterminating women by starvation, save for a few that are kept locked up in labs where they exist only for reproduction -- and he suggests himself as this dictator. According to his theory if there are no women there will be no sex, and men can rise to higher levels of achievement (notice how he blames his shortcomings on others). He also believes that there would be no love in such a world, though he seems to have a poorly developed notion of love as an emotion (he speaks of love in terms of sex, and never associates love with any specific person other than himself).
Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do another skim read through the diary and notice all the times he unabashedly confirms his belief that other human beings in his life exist to serve his interests. It's practically a motif. He doesn't merely seem upset that women won't acknowledge him, but rather that anyone he interacts with has any agency at all --- his father, his mother, his friends, his roommates.
Not that it matters, but he really doesn't seem like a psychopath. Real psychopaths tend to be brave, extroverted, narcissistic, impervious to punishment, etc. He really didn't fit. (He's a little narcissistic, but limited it to talking about his being a "perfect gentleman" and things like that. Otherwise, he tended to condemn himself--his height, physical weakness, bad fortune, etc.) Of course, I'm basing that on hi…
He's a little narcissistic, but limited it to talking about his being a "perfect gentleman" and things like that.
There is also this part:
"I am Elliot Rodger...Magnificent, glorious, supreme, eminent, Divine! I am the closest thing there is to a living god."
Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because his planned attack on the sorority failed. The manifesto is gynocidal.
And his videos were specifcally saying he hated everyone . He was a severely mentally ill sick person who is now dead and took innocent people with him. Seriously, misogyny doesn't have all that much to do with it, from my perspective. Yes, he was a misogynist, but the unsaid implication I've seen all over the web is that "All misogynists are just like this guy!", which doesn't follow, as far as I'm concerned. I just…
> Yes, he was a misogynist, but the unsaid implication I've seen all over the web is that "All misogynists are just like this guy!", which doesn't follow, as far as I'm concerned.
Not all misogynists will act out in physical violence, but misogyny provides fuel for those that do and it also provides excuses for those actions when they occur. Ultimately misogyny encourages violence against women, period.
> I just write misogynists off as sad people that I won't associate with, not violent murderers waiting for a chance to "show the world".
Which is a privilege you have since you are not the target of misogyny. Women who suffer direct harassment and violence because of misogyny don't get the chance to be so nonchalant about that behavior and cultural influence.
Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
And his videos were specifcally saying he hated everyone . He was a severely mentally ill sick person who is now dead and took innocent people with him. Seriously, misogyny doesn't have all that much to do with it, from my perspective. Yes, he was a misogynist, but the unsaid implication I've seen all over the web is that "All misogynists are just like this guy!", which doesn't follow, as far as I'm concerned. I just…
> Yes, he was a misogynist, but the unsaid implication I've seen all over the web is that "All misogynists are just like this guy!", which doesn't follow, as far as I'm concerned. Not all misogynists will act out in physical violence, but misogyny provides fuel for those that do and it also provides excuses for those actions when they occur. Ultimately misogyny encourages violence against women, period. > I just writ…
I'll gladly agree with you.
But that is not this case. This was severe mental illness, not misogyny. More to the point, to those who said "he killed men because he couldn't kill the sorority" miss the fact that he stabbed two men to death first.
This case was someone who was very very sick, and decided to lash out at the world, and innocent people paid the price. Those who attempt to paint it as "MRA's are dangerous" (which they are, there is a brand new petition on WhiteHouse.gov saying exactly that) or anything other than it actually is confuse the hell out of me.