Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

brendangregg.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 138 posts

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

#101

Post by eddieroger »

bkurtz13 wrote: post #12

In an attempt to balance the discussion, I'm on 10.9.3 and I've had absolutely zero issues so far.

I was just thinking I should write a daily blog for the three different Macs I interact with daily and the problems they don't have. I even do remote updates to a collocated Mac Mini that is just singing along. Having lived through the fear of the remote reboot on nearly every platform for a while now, I'd say that it's pretty telling that I can let Software Update go on my remote machine nearly carefree.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

#103

Post by guywithabike »

radicalbyte wrote: post #7

I've been a Mac user for 6 months (MBP), I hardly tax the machine but it has crashed a dozen times. Twice today, and five times this week in total. Not since Windows 98 have I seen such an unstable OS. I've seen less BSOD in the last 15 years than I've seen kernel panics in the last week.

In my experience, people who've had exorbitant numbers of kernel panics on Macs have had tons of things installed that muck around with MacOS X internals. VirtualBox, old SIMBL hacks, manual fan controls, etc. Those are all notoriously unstable and can cause lots of kernel panics.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

#104

Post by agotterer »

guywithabike wrote: post #103
radicalbyte wrote: post #7

I've been a Mac user for 6 months (MBP), I hardly tax the machine but it has crashed a dozen times. Twice today, and five times this week in total. Not since Windows 98 have I seen such an unstable OS. I've seen less BSOD in the last 15 years than I've seen kernel panics in the last week.

In my experience, people who've had exorbitant numbers of kernel panics on Macs have had tons of things installed that muck around with MacOS X internals. VirtualBox, old SIMBL hacks, manual fan controls, etc. Those are all notoriously unstable and can cause lots of kernel panics.

You mean all the thing I use to do my job?

I actually lag 4-6 months behind releases now on both my macbook and my iphone. While I used to love being an early adopter and downloading the latest release the night it came out. Over the past few years I've had so many stability issues that I can't afford the annoyance, frustrations, and hit to productivity. It definitely seems that the quality of apple os's out of the gate have more problems then they did in the past.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

#105

Post by aragot »

agotterer wrote: post #104
guywithabike wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, people who've had exorbitant numbers of kernel panics on Macs have had tons of things installed that muck around with MacOS X internals. VirtualBox, old SIMBL hacks, manual fan controls, etc. Those are all notoriously unstable and can cause lots of kernel panics.

You mean all the thing I use to do my job? I actually lag 4-6 months behind releases now on both my macbook and my iphone. While I used to love being an early adopter and downloading the latest release the night it came out. Over the past few years I've had so many stability issues that I can't afford the annoyance, frustrations, and hit to productivity. It definitely seems that the quality of apple os's out of the g…

It may not be a process & quality question, but simply staffing with very highly experienced and smart people. Some analyze that the Windows kernel has that problem[1].

[1] http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=74

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

#106

Post by dsl »

brendangregg wrote: post #93
nemof wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this doesn't make it sound any better unfortunately. perhaps i might be unpopular in saying this, but he should just click the fuck through. either you want to spend your time getting stuff done, or spend your time prevaricating about the bush.

Well, there's more to the story about the T&Cs, which I didn't get into because I was trying to write about panics... So I did try to create an Apple ID, which required I agree to "Apple Terms of Service", which links to http://www.apple.com/legal/ . Ok, WHERE are the "Apple Terms of Service" on that page? Perhaps I'm being an idiot, but I don't see anything with that title. I browsed around for a while before giving…

Under the heading "Internet Services"

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

#107

Post by salgernon »

i'm sure that the stock Apple support answer would be to backup, reformat and restore.

This would probably have fixed his problem since the backtrace he finally Obtained fingered the file system, which is probably corrupt. (not that this excuses the panic!)

This is further evidenced by his "helpdesk" being unable to repair his computer by physically swapping drives.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

#108

Post by brendangregg »

salgernon wrote: post #107

i'm sure that the stock Apple support answer would be to backup, reformat and restore. This would probably have fixed his problem since the backtrace he finally Obtained fingered the file system, which is probably corrupt. (not that this excuses the panic!) This is further evidenced by his "helpdesk" being unable to repair his computer by physically swapping drives.

Yes, this is a good theory, and consistent with the decoded stack trace we have. Although, consider that three other coworkers are suffering the same panics after upgrading to 10.9.3. Have we all got the same corruption? I suppose that could be possible, if the corruption was caused by the same bug.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

#109

Post by sgeisenh »

mmastrac wrote: post #100

Has anyone else had trouble with external thunderbolt dual dvi adapters in the 10.9.x series? I have a Mac at home that crashes the windowserver every time my external Monoprice IPS monitor is plugged in. It doesn't happen on a newer Retina mac at all.

At least you know the adapter is working if it crashes your computer. I am lucky to get the adapter to work properly and when it does, plugging in my Shimian crashes my MBP.
Post reply on HN