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An open letter on feminism in tech

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Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

#101

I just want to develop software, and I don't personally give a shit about the gender of the people I'm working with. ...Until they start shoving these sorts of issues down my throat. If I get to choose between the male that just wants to develop software and the female who wants to tell me all about how terrible it is working in our industry as a woman, I'm going to pick the male. Why? Because I'm very goal oriented…

> I just want to develop software

So do they.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

#102

It makes me sad to read this stuff, but a genuine question for other male readers. Have you heard of, or come into contact with any of this abhorrent behavior that's mentioned? I have never seen it anywhere I worked, or heard of that sort of thing through word of mouth, but obviously that's a terrible sample set. My experiences related to women in tech: * Everywhere I've worked, it's been a boys club, but we'd LOVE t…

I have left a company because they flat-out refused to consider hiring women for coding jobs, with the CEO saying that women are too fragile for critical roles. This kind of idiocy is relatively common in UK executives, as a fairly large chunk of them went to exclusive private boys schools and so never had to really deal with women as equal peers until adulthood.

Wouldn't they get that exposure during university though? I certainly had long-held views challenged and changed during my time in college, where I was exposed to a much larger spectrum of the population compared to my predominantly Caucasian, upper-middle class upbringing.*

* I briefly attended a UK postgraduate institution.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, he was the CEO of a tech startup, and the tech startup media did all the reporting on it, and all his investors literally said 'congratulations, I'm glad this is behind you' after he pled guilty. Still has little to do with gender bias. The investors are there for the money. I've seen companies keep known alcoholics around because they provide enough value for said company to deal with it. The issue isn't tha…

Nobody is claiming that it's cause is simply bias. It's a particular instance of the general structural issues women face.

men face the exact same issues. It's akin to women complaining that they have to purchase gasoline in order to make it to work daily. So do men, why is that something the women are rallying around?

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

#104

"Some men made statements that made us feel unwelcome in the tech industry" We are going to respond my making generailized hate speech towards all men in the industry. But seriously, are people expecting 100% support from all sections of society? Is that even a realistic expectation?

"hate speech"

You're gonna have to show your work on that one.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

#105
post #34

this is one of the more thoughtful pieces i've read on the issue. it's obvious to anyone really paying attention the tech industry (and probably most other industries) has been extremely unfair to women. writing like this--clear on the problem and supportive of people who want to help--is important, but it's also important to remember that we all collectively have to act to actually change things.

Hey, I just wanted to say thanks to you and/or dang for un-flagging it.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

#106
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bug report with no evidence or sources making claims that cannot be verified by the readers. I could just as easily say I am being terrorized by my Female boss and shut down any women who disagree using your argument.

The article was loaded with evidence. There were links.

There were many claims made in that article, outside of the links provided. This just seems like a giant circlejerk so enjoy it. I will continue living my life not discriminating against anyone whilst being told I am part of the problem.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

#107

"Some men made statements that made us feel unwelcome in the tech industry" We are going to respond my making generailized hate speech towards all men in the industry. But seriously, are people expecting 100% support from all sections of society? Is that even a realistic expectation?

> We are going to respond my making generailized hate speech towards all men in the industry. This is a large part of my problem with some of the MVC writers. If you're a male, you're guilty. If you're white and male, you're really guilty.

I am a straight white male, and I know (and am friends with) many of the MVC writers. I even sponsored the latest issue. So I can say, empirically, you're wrong.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

#108
post #78

It makes me sad to read this stuff, but a genuine question for other male readers. Have you heard of, or come into contact with any of this abhorrent behavior that's mentioned? I have never seen it anywhere I worked, or heard of that sort of thing through word of mouth, but obviously that's a terrible sample set. My experiences related to women in tech: * Everywhere I've worked, it's been a boys club, but we'd LOVE t…

a genuine question for other male readers. Have you heard of, or come into contact with any of this abhorrent behavior that's mentioned? Why do you need a "male reader" to confirm this to you? Your question reads thus: 'I can't believe this if I only hear it from a woman-- is there a man in the audience who can confirm this?' To turn it around a bit, why do you find these stories unbelievable & why do you need a man…

I don't find the story unbelievable. I like to believe that whom I choose to keep as my friends and colleagues is a reflection of myself, and I aspire not to be sexist or bigoted towards any minorities. Those of my friends I've spoken to about this who are women engineers haven't experienced anything to the degree I hear about in the articles (but they still acknowledge biases against them or annoyances in the conduct of their peers).

But this is an endemic problem. Are the male colleagues I have part of the problem and I am simply failing to realize it? Have I done a good job of choosing colleagues who don't behave that way? How can I know?

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

#109

I am going to convey my experience of reading this, in the hopes that it might be helpful. The message that I get from this essay is as follows. "We are angry with the way we are treated as women, by men. We are angry with the way we see other women being treated by men. Even though you might not personally have treated us like this, we know that you are a man, like other men, and we hold you responsible for what has…

Precisely. This article, and all others like it just come off sounding like childish boolean logic applied to billions of people, each as different as a randomly generated hash code.

If the only observation one can make about a case is that the accused has a Y chromosome and the accuser doesn't, one clearly needs to perform deeper analysis.

Re: An open letter on feminism in tech

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is claiming that it's cause is simply bias. It's a particular instance of the general structural issues women face.

men face the exact same issues. It's akin to women complaining that they have to purchase gasoline in order to make it to work daily. So do men, why is that something the women are rallying around?

If men and women face the same issues, and women are working towards fixing those issues, I'm not sure why you're so upset. Isn't that positive?
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