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LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by reidrac »

bgibson wrote: post #83
WoodenChair wrote: post #35

The lightweight Linux desktop environments have been battling for years now over who's Windows 95 clone is better. It's a nice paradigm because it's familiar to many users and serves its purpose. However, does low resource usage necessarily imply lack of innovation regarding user experience? Or does familiarity in this space just trump other concerns and experimentation should be left to the fat environments like Gno…

Check out Elementary OS - Ubuntu with the DE rewritten in Vala with design as priority: http://elementaryos.org/

Why is Vala a "feature" worth mentioning? I mean, I don't use software and notice the language used to program it.

IMHO I've used buggy software that happens to be written in Vala, but I wouldn't say it is because of the language.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by noisy_boy »

mhitza wrote: post #18
ChuckMcM wrote: post #4

Not trying to be a problem here, but what problem does this solve? Why does someone undertake to make a new desktop environment? Is XFce/Kde/gnome/cinammon/what-have-you not enough?

I don't like Gnome3 or KDE. I just need a bottom panel. I'm already used with configuring Openbox, LXDE is just a layer on top of that. If LXDE wouldn't exist, I would just use XFCE.

Having used Fluxbox, Windowmaker, KDE, Gnome and Cinnamon, I find XFCE's start menu design the most productive. Recently used items appear on the top and you can start typing and the menu items start filtering - this happens for some other DEs as well but XFCE's matching is truely outstanding. I'm able to get to any item in less than 2 seconds (obviously I've assigned keyboard shortcuts to frequently used items) - very satisfying.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by scrollaway »

andrewstuart wrote: post #58

How come these things never look refined and polished? Always sort of half nice and Unix-clunk.

Graphics people are a lot harder to find in open source and on an open source budget. I'm sure if you have graphics skills and propose them to them they will jump on the occasion.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by exDM69 »

Lunatic666 wrote: post #74

What about making a new Desktop not only fast, but also pretty? All the Linux Desktops look butt-ugly compared to OS X or even Windows 8 and absolutely don't make we want to give it a try. A nicely designed Desktop which is also fast and uses less resources would help getting Linux on the Desktops so much more...

> What about making a new Desktop not only fast, but also pretty?

The reason for this is that there are relatively few graphics artists who use Linux desktops and contribute to the desktop projects by creating graphics.

But there are quite pretty custom desktop themes created by people. You can look at /r/unixporn for example. Most of the screenshots there are from the tiling wm (dwm/awesome/xmonad/i3) crowd but every now and then someone posts some pretty Gnome/KDE/LXDE/Xfce screenies and themes as well.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by astrobe_ »

scythe wrote: post #61
WoodenChair wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

etoileos - last news update 2012 and wasn't even about the project fluxbox - active and kind've interesting awesome - more of just a WM than full DE ratpoison - ditto enlightenment - okay, kind've resembles Win 95 too... but more of a DE than the others you listed windowmaker - been around forever; hasn't really "innovated" in forever; just a NeXT clone if I remember correctly for GNUStep I think my point stands. I w…

>windowmaker - been around forever; hasn't really "innovated" in forever; just a NeXT clone if I remember correctly for GNUStep >enlightenment - okay, kind've resembles Win 95 too... but more of a DE than the others you listed > etoileos - last news update 2012 and wasn't even about the project What you seem to be missing is that these projects died because people thought they were weird , which is to say, innovation…

Funny, ScytheWM was one of those obscure and relatively innovative WM, with its single, larger than the screen virtual desktop. Related?

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by astrobe_ »

girvo wrote: post #57
WoodenChair wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

etoileos - last news update 2012 and wasn't even about the project fluxbox - active and kind've interesting awesome - more of just a WM than full DE ratpoison - ditto enlightenment - okay, kind've resembles Win 95 too... but more of a DE than the others you listed windowmaker - been around forever; hasn't really "innovated" in forever; just a NeXT clone if I remember correctly for GNUStep I think my point stands. I w…

etioleos actually does have some stuff happening, if you go and look at the mailing list :)

> etioleos

dat Typo. "étiolé"= withered in French.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by userbinator »

andrewstuart wrote: post #58

How come these things never look refined and polished? Always sort of half nice and Unix-clunk.

Funny you mention this, since I've noticed that even in ReactOS - which is supposed to be a Windows clone - there's something "not quite right" about it when you look at a screenshot like http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SN0tgsoHkV8/UwMdmx3RM1I/AAAAAAAAA3... - I think it's mostly the fonts. I've found that free (as in freedom) fonts just have this... odd look to them.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by Zecc »

Pxtl wrote: post #77
hyperion2010 wrote: post #75

So I have been using fluxbox for 7 years now and it does nearly everything I need. There is one feature that I have been looking for that I have not seen in any window manager that I know: the ability to group windows so that they raise and lower together. Yes I have virtual desktops, but I really, really want to be able to link the terminal window I use to test a file I am editing, to the vim window where I am editi…

Honestly, I've always wanted a window-manager that mimicked Visual Studio's pin/dock slide-outs. That is, you can dock any task to any edge of the screen, and each edge can be sub-divided into panes. Each pane has multiple tabs, and each pane can be set to auto-hide or can be "pinned" to always-visible, which causes everything else to resize. It's a rather complicated approach, but I've never found any better multi-t…

I haven't tried them (just found out about them now), and I know it's not exactly what you're looking for, but there are WMs that allow you to have nesting virtual workspaces. It could be an approximation.

http://common-lisp.net/project/clfswm/

http://treewm.sourceforge.net/

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by anon4 »

byuu wrote: post #85
WoodenChair wrote: post #35

The lightweight Linux desktop environments have been battling for years now over who's Windows 95 clone is better. It's a nice paradigm because it's familiar to many users and serves its purpose. However, does low resource usage necessarily imply lack of innovation regarding user experience? Or does familiarity in this space just trump other concerns and experimentation should be left to the fat environments like Gno…

If I want an environment for my cell phone or tablet, I'll use an environment designed for a cell phone or tablet; like Metro, Gnome, Unity and Android. If I want an environment for my desktop, I'll use an environment designed for a desktop; like Windows 95 - 7, Gnome2, KDE3, Xfce and LXDE. My desktop has a keyboard and a mouse, not a touchscreen. In fact, I really don't want to be touching my $1200 ZR30w monitor any…

I feel KDE4 has managed to keep close enough to a normal desktop environment, even though they've been touched by the braindamage known as "semantic desktop search", which insists on taking up tons of resources to index your half-terabyte home directory that you've already organised for easy access.

LXQt seems like it could become what KDE should have been. All they really need is to also merge with the Trinity people.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by JohnDoe365 »

Lunatic666 wrote: post #74

What about making a new Desktop not only fast, but also pretty? All the Linux Desktops look butt-ugly compared to OS X or even Windows 8 and absolutely don't make we want to give it a try. A nicely designed Desktop which is also fast and uses less resources would help getting Linux on the Desktops so much more...

The reason is that there is no central steering to define the workflows of Apps and how and when UI elements should be used and how. That's why QT is used extensively in KDE, as it brings a lot of UI elements by default to alleviate this lack of steering.
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