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Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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Post by macu »

MrZongle2 wrote: post #73
pavpanchekha wrote: post #59

Wait, wait, hold on. Folks, this man isn't a politician, he isn't a social crusader, he isn't using his position as a platform. At worst, he's rich. He hasn't taken the throne, or even government office; he's the CEO of a private corporation that makes web browsers of all things. Now, sure, he might be against gay marriage. And you might disagree, and have a variety of principles to back your position. But why do we…

Would we have the same controversy if Brendan voted Tea Party (but only privately)? If he were against abortion? If he didn't believe NASA needed a bigger budget (or that it did, if you lean the other way)? Yes. Yes. Yes. This is America in 2014. If somebody holds a politically incorrect position, they must be destroyed: their employer must be named, shamed, and pressured to fire that person. If that person runs a co…

Sounds right to me. For a nation with the rights of the individual as a core value, all this "insisting on ideological uniformity" [1] should sound the alarm that perhaps our cultural movements are trending off track. I find it disturbing that some of the most hysterical and demanding responses to the presence of "the other" are actually coming from within the gay community.

[1]: https://brendaneich.com/2012/04/community-and-diversity/

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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Post by techwatching »

pavpanchekha wrote: post #59

Wait, wait, hold on. Folks, this man isn't a politician, he isn't a social crusader, he isn't using his position as a platform. At worst, he's rich. He hasn't taken the throne, or even government office; he's the CEO of a private corporation that makes web browsers of all things. Now, sure, he might be against gay marriage. And you might disagree, and have a variety of principles to back your position. But why do we…

Arguably, yes. We should demand "perfection" in our public figures, inasmuch as "perfection" means freedom from prejudice. In the case of BE its particularly relevant as the company he runs provides the lens through which a sizable population will see the world.

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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Post by michaelwww »

All he had to say for context was "My religious beliefs guide me to hold that marriage is between one man and one woman." A lot of decent people believe that. I disagree and believe gay people should be able to marry as well, but I wouldn't expect people in Eich's group to hold that against me. It's a free country with freedom of religion and belief.

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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Post by wudf »

pavpanchekha wrote: post #59

Wait, wait, hold on. Folks, this man isn't a politician, he isn't a social crusader, he isn't using his position as a platform. At worst, he's rich. He hasn't taken the throne, or even government office; he's the CEO of a private corporation that makes web browsers of all things. Now, sure, he might be against gay marriage. And you might disagree, and have a variety of principles to back your position. But why do we…

It doesn't matter whether his power comes from state government or private organization. Threats to human rights should be checked. Indifference is selfish.

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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Post by gcp »

dublinben wrote: post #28
slucidi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that not saying he's sorry he hurt people? I don't understand what you are having a problem with.

This is a classic non-apology apology. He's not sorry for the original action which offended people, just that his action caused offense. It's the kind of corporate double-speak you hear from someone who is not sorry for their actions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology

A straight apology now would have been nothing short of opportunistic and considered cheap.

Promising action to the contrary sounds a lot better.

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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Post by techwatching »

lawl wrote: post #18

I have commented on this issue before [0]. I've been thinking about this again. After reading this I think he still stands to his opinion, that he personally thinks gay marriage is wrong. Obviously he's an idiot, but I think even idiots are entitled to their opinion as long as it doesn't interfere with his work at mozilla . I think that is also what he's trying to say with his blog post. I think he made it pretty cle…

The issues in my mind are the thought processes that lead him to hold his opinions. Those processes generated a prejudiced world view - one held strongly enough to affect behaviour to extend of spending money to bolster that prejudice.

Are those the thought processes you want in control of one of the world's most impactful technology companies?

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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Post by gcp »

tunesmith wrote: post #42
morley wrote: post #2

For those of you who are as confused as I was about why he's being so defensive about LGBT issues, here's context: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/gay-firefox-develope...

Thanks, after reading the context, his statement seems rather contentless. He may very well be committed to accepting the battles he has already lost. But that kind of social progress is an ever-moving target, and the statement doesn't demonstrate any willingness to keep pace.

Keep pace with what? You can agree on some developments and disagree on others.

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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Post by nephyrin »

sroerick wrote: post #45
[deleted] wrote: post #26

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I was in SF last week and visited the Mozilla office to see what it looked like. It looked like a locked door with a surveillance camera outside. I understand the need for security and privacy, but it was a little jarring to see it from Mozilla. I'm sure if I can contacted someone for a tour I'd have gotten a better response, but my perception of the organization has changed a little bit.

This door?

http://nextcity.org/images/made/images/daily/_resized/img_mo...

I agree, it's outrageous that a door that opens onto the embarcadero be locked when the room is unoccupied, or that the building has a security camera near that door, which happens to be the corner of the building facing the street! Do they expect everyone to go to the main entrance to talk to someone or something?

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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Post by gcp »

bane wrote: post #16

"My ongoing commitment to our Community Participation Guidelines, our inclusive health benefits, our anti-discrimination policies, and the spirit that underlies all of these." "...and in the meantime express my sorrow at having caused pain." Ouch, how can somebody hold two opposing thoughts in their head at once? That's basically a denouncement of his own personal efforts. At this point, the best thing he can do to l…

I hope he keeps getting held accountable for participating in the oppression of a minority group until he takes substantive steps to make public amends.

Didn't he just do that, by promising contrary action rather than a cheap apology?

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