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Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by ubernostrum »

subsection1h wrote: post #59
Mikeb85 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gnome is very usable for many of us. I'm tired of seeing the same 'it sucks as a productivity environment' comments. If it's not your preference, you can say that, but Gnome Shell is perfectly fine when it comes to productivity. Quick app switching, searching, app launching, etc... How do these things hurt productivity? I personally dislike KDE, but that's just my taste. Some people love XMonad or XFCE, and some peop…

> I'm a developer and my workflow involves several different tools, Gnome Shell certainly doesn't hurt 'productivity'. I'm also a developer whose workflow involves several different tools. One of those tools is Firefox, and I currently have several hundred tabs open in more than a dozen Firefox windows. I want to be able to instantaneously switch from Emacs to a specific Firefox window. I don't want to switch from Em…

I currently have several hundred tabs open in more than a dozen Firefox windows.

This is not a typical use case. I do periodically see people leaving comments which claim that they usually have the entire World Wide Web open simultaneously, but not often enough for it to be a use case worth optimizing for.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by visakanv »

ubernostrum wrote: post #101
subsection1h wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm a developer and my workflow involves several different tools, Gnome Shell certainly doesn't hurt 'productivity'. I'm also a developer whose workflow involves several different tools. One of those tools is Firefox, and I currently have several hundred tabs open in more than a dozen Firefox windows. I want to be able to instantaneously switch from Emacs to a specific Firefox window. I don't want to switch from Em…

I currently have several hundred tabs open in more than a dozen Firefox windows. This is not a typical use case. I do periodically see people leaving comments which claim that they usually have the entire World Wide Web open simultaneously, but not often enough for it to be a use case worth optimizing for.

Look up OneTab, it improved my quality of browsing the web x100+

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by vertex-four »

rufugee wrote: post #70
paulyg wrote: post #35

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For those complaining about the alt-tab thing maybe you don't know about alt-`. Alt-` cycles through windows/instances of the current app! I just learned about it two days ago and I've been using gnome 3 for a year (there is a lesson in there, why was this not publicized more?). On a more general note put me in the camp that feels gnome is getting better and better every release. I like what they have done with the h…

Yeah, I do know that. What I don't like about alt+tab is that it doesn't respect virtual workspaces. I use workspaces to group windows I'm working on at a particular moment, but alt+tab shows applications across all workspaces, and switches between those. Might as well not even have workspaces with this behavior.

It seems that everyone has their own opinion of how alt+tab should work. Personally, I have the AlternateTab extension[0] installed, which has a configuration option to allow switching between windows within a single workspace, rather than across all workspaces. There's also several other similar extensions, each implementing their own behaviour depending on what you want.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by lmm »

Pxtl wrote: post #50
gtirloni wrote: post #6

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Just the fact that people need a ton of shell extensions to make it barely usable is a problem in itself. The fact that they break (and some are let to rotten) after every major release is just to beat a dead body. Just a few weeks ago I tried Gnome 3 again (again!) and it still sucks as a productivity environment. I have better things to do. But as a geek, I'll be checking Gnome 3 again maybe in a year or more. No h…

> Just the fact that people need a ton of shell extensions to make it barely usable is a problem in itself. Idunno, FireFox pretty nicely demonstrates that a simple, straightforward platform with an emphasis on extensions can be great. Your use-case doesn't necessarily match my use-case, and letting the users get lost in a sea of config files to customize them has kind of proven to just cause havoc... so why not focu…

I think firefox lost its way because it focused on extensions for things that should have been browser core functionality. What does firefox stand for these days? Why would I use it over Opera or Konqueror?

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by lmm »

e12e wrote: post #78

One of the best news for Gnome is their (updated/clarified) stance on portability, that I found linked in the section for developers[d] linked from the actual release notes[r]: http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2014/02/19/on-portability/ "GNOME is not “Linux-only” and it never should be. People are running GNOME on FreeBSD, OpenBSD and very many other non-GNU/Linux systems. People are running GNOME on GNU/Linux systems th…

Those are encouraging words, but what do they mean in practice? E.g. are they reverting the changes that had gnome's login manager depending on systemd?

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by slgeorge »

ollyfg wrote: post #52
JDShu wrote: post #42

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It's also worth mentioning that this behavior exists on OS X as well.

And also on Unity (if you're into that).

I am into that - and you can change the behaviour to only alt-tab windows in a single workspace if you're more used to that.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by quim005 »

rufugee wrote: post #70
paulyg wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those complaining about the alt-tab thing maybe you don't know about alt-`. Alt-` cycles through windows/instances of the current app! I just learned about it two days ago and I've been using gnome 3 for a year (there is a lesson in there, why was this not publicized more?). On a more general note put me in the camp that feels gnome is getting better and better every release. I like what they have done with the h…

Yeah, I do know that. What I don't like about alt+tab is that it doesn't respect virtual workspaces. I use workspaces to group windows I'm working on at a particular moment, but alt+tab shows applications across all workspaces, and switches between those. Might as well not even have workspaces with this behavior.

gsettings set org.gnome.shell.app-switcher current-workspace-only true

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by flowless »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #30
gtirloni wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just the fact that people need a ton of shell extensions to make it barely usable is a problem in itself. The fact that they break (and some are let to rotten) after every major release is just to beat a dead body. Just a few weeks ago I tried Gnome 3 again (again!) and it still sucks as a productivity environment. I have better things to do. But as a geek, I'll be checking Gnome 3 again maybe in a year or more. No h…

Gnome is very usable for many of us. I'm tired of seeing the same 'it sucks as a productivity environment' comments. If it's not your preference, you can say that, but Gnome Shell is perfectly fine when it comes to productivity. Quick app switching, searching, app launching, etc... How do these things hurt productivity? I personally dislike KDE, but that's just my taste. Some people love XMonad or XFCE, and some peop…

"Quick app switching"

For me, it's candy app switching but definitely not quick. Having to look at animated transitions is extremely distracting and definitely hurts productivity.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by tenfingers »

Gnome is a perfect example of what designing with too much sense for aesthetics and no usage experience looks like.

It's nice looking, yes. On the surface things seem to be good enough. But start using the software, and discover how little though most of the features have been given.

Window cycling is one thing, but the issues go _way_ deeper than that. Small examples come from the file open/save dialog being into "Recent" mode by default, despite being totally useless since the dialog has no notion of what has been done outside of other applications (and come on, on Linux having a terminal open to script is pretty much the norm). There's an option to switch the dialog to directory mode (in "current cwd") [1], but of course there's no such fine-tuning in gtk3. I'm supporting users using Ubuntu in our facility, and they all hate this "recent" mode.

[1] http://askubuntu.com/questions/63202/can-i-stop-apps-from-se...

The list of gothas like this would be so awfully long that I stopped caring about Gnome first, and then Gtk3 entirely, since they are pretty much on the same development line of thought.

Luckily, thanks to XDG and several other common practices, a full DE like Gnome or KDE is pretty much useless on Linux. There are some many alternatives to choose from, that any complaint is largely irrelevant.

My suggestions to people liking Gnome though is this: dont' focus on looks, please try the alternatives. If you miss some "integration", ask for a standard or some consensus, not for any DE-specific feature.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by mgedmin »

donniezazen wrote: post #76
Mikeb85 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gnome is very usable for many of us. I'm tired of seeing the same 'it sucks as a productivity environment' comments. If it's not your preference, you can say that, but Gnome Shell is perfectly fine when it comes to productivity. Quick app switching, searching, app launching, etc... How do these things hurt productivity? I personally dislike KDE, but that's just my taste. Some people love XMonad or XFCE, and some peop…

After having switched to KDE from Gnome, I can say Gnome Shell does hurt productivity. One example would be, Nautilus can't be split into two panes. When I have to move a bunch of files from one folder to another, on Gnome it would require right-click copy and then open the folder and then right-click-paste. Whereas on KDE, it merely means drag and drop. It will even ask you, if you want to move or copy, that could c…

You get split Nautilus windows in GNOME the same way you get split anything windows: tile the window to the left (Super+Left or drag window until mouse touches the left screen edge), open new Nautilus window, tile it to the right (Super+Right or draw window until mouse touches the right screen edge). Presto.
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