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Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

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Post by acqq »

majke wrote: post #87

A bit of context, maybe it will be helpful for some: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Mar/170 http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Mar/294 http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Mar/291 http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Mar/286 http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Mar/298 And a full email exchange: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Mar/index.html#123 My personal favourite (in a positive way)…

Specifically:

http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Mar/298

It seems that one guy not only trolled the list but also he either created new identities for more trolling or managed to attract more trolls as bad as he. The guy also appears to deeply believe he's right.

It's still not fully clear to me if he is also the person thus described by the list maintainer:

"I always assumed that the turning point would be a sweeping request for large-scale deletion of information that some vendor or other had taken exception to. I never imagined that request might come from a researcher within the 'community' itself (and I use that word loosely in modern times)."

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

#102

Post by protomyth »

ontoillogical wrote: post #99
tptacek wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't even know how to respond to the idea that teenagers breaking into phone switches and harassing people, buying Pantera CDs on stolen credit cards, stealing ESNs from other people's phones to make calls on someone else's bill, and rm'ing Unix boxes are somehow more honorable than adults running businesses. The "hackers" FD's moderator is talking about are the ones I'm talking about. They aren't MIT students ord…

> They aren't MIT students ordering sweet and sour bitter melon. What's that a reference to?

http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Computer-Revolution-Anniversar...

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

#103

Post by shadowfox »

ganeumann wrote: post #97
noname123 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. This is true. I posted something similar circa 2009 about this sentiment. It used to bother me a lot but not anymore. A reply from pg on the different cultures: pg 1678 days ago | link Everything you've written would have been just as true in the 1980s, with a few of the names changed. Then too there were authentic hackers, glib fakers, and corporate drones. The great majority of the computer world in the 1980s…

Paul Graham wrote "On Lisp." If ever a book was written by a true hacker, that one is it, and it will be read as long as there are programmable computers.

> If ever a book was written by a true hacker, that one is it, and it will be read as long as there are programmable computers.

Err. Now I do like that book. But this might be overstating the case.

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

#104

Post by anaphor »

ganeumann wrote: post #97
noname123 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. This is true. I posted something similar circa 2009 about this sentiment. It used to bother me a lot but not anymore. A reply from pg on the different cultures: pg 1678 days ago | link Everything you've written would have been just as true in the 1980s, with a few of the names changed. Then too there were authentic hackers, glib fakers, and corporate drones. The great majority of the computer world in the 1980s…

Paul Graham wrote "On Lisp." If ever a book was written by a true hacker, that one is it, and it will be read as long as there are programmable computers.

There are plenty of Lisp books that are just as good or better imo:

The Little Schemer

The Seasoned Schemer

SICP

Lisp In Small Pieces

Practical Common Lisp

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

#105

Post by noname123 »

shadowfox wrote: post #103
ganeumann wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paul Graham wrote "On Lisp." If ever a book was written by a true hacker, that one is it, and it will be read as long as there are programmable computers.

> If ever a book was written by a true hacker, that one is it, and it will be read as long as there are programmable computers. Err. Now I do like that book. But this might be overstating the case.

One day, Clojure is going to sweep the JVM world and all of the declarative folks are gonna read & weep and wonder how their lives were before USSR collapsed.

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

#106

Post by guelo »

tptacek wrote: post #86
Zancarius wrote: post #84

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> are somehow more honorable than adults running businesses. Gotta admit, I thought the same thing. Then I'm reminded of patent and trademark law...

What about it? Patent and trademark law are two things the typical valley "hacker" acutely oppose.

Bullshit. I haven't seen one supposed startup hacker put up a fight once the "grownups", investors, and lawyers start telling them they have to patent something.

The only Silicon Valley moral is making money.

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

#107

Post by uaygsfdbzf »

tptacek wrote: post #21
Bjoern wrote: post #16

Wow, this is sad. Hope we can get more info on what was going on. Besides Bugtraq what mailing lists security wise do you follow? EDIT: Or what other general means by Twitter, Websites, Databases, Blogs etc. do you recommend?

Why would you follow any mailing lists for security in 2014? The concept of a security mailing list predates Twitter, vulnerability databases, Reddit, and blogs. But we have all those things now, and they are all better than Full-Disclosure on its best days.

Abstractly, I think the benefit email has over the above are nearly-immediate decentralization. All the other above mediums (generally) are either (A) centralized services or (b) require some sort of polling mechanism to poll a distribution point. I think it is harder to redact from an email list than any of these. Also, twitter's conversation layout in the web portal annoys the F* out of me. Sig Hash: f4bbafebca1ef074672ec2da3debd812

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

#108

Post by jessaustin »

anaphor wrote: post #104
ganeumann wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paul Graham wrote "On Lisp." If ever a book was written by a true hacker, that one is it, and it will be read as long as there are programmable computers.

There are plenty of Lisp books that are just as good or better imo: The Little Schemer The Seasoned Schemer SICP Lisp In Small Pieces Practical Common Lisp

C'mon dude, if you're going to flex, you gotta mention Let Over Lambda!

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

#109

Post by joeevans »

anaphor wrote: post #104
ganeumann wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paul Graham wrote "On Lisp." If ever a book was written by a true hacker, that one is it, and it will be read as long as there are programmable computers.

There are plenty of Lisp books that are just as good or better imo: The Little Schemer The Seasoned Schemer SICP Lisp In Small Pieces Practical Common Lisp

and, of course, Land of Lisp!

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

#110

Post by crashandburn4 »

protomyth wrote: post #102
ontoillogical wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They aren't MIT students ordering sweet and sour bitter melon. What's that a reference to?

http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Computer-Revolution-Anniversar...

I was looking for where that was posted and I think this is a bit more informative: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mShXzzKtpmEC&pg=PA60&lpg=...
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