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Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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For anyone still drinking the "Bitcoin is frictionless" kool-aid, this hasn't been a good week.

for anyone who sees bitcoin as a 'wild west' environment, this sort of thing is obvious and just moves the bitcoin economy forward. problems found now are fixed, and won't be as big of a deal later.

"just moves the bitcoin economy forward"

Contrary to popular(?) opinion, there is such a thing as bad publicity. At least when you're selling a get rich quick scheme.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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post #80

For anyone still drinking the "Bitcoin is frictionless" kool-aid, this hasn't been a good week.

Either SR2 was hacked or someone ran off with the funds. Whatever the case may be, I do not see how the friction (or lack thereof) of Bitcoin has anything to do with this.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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SO, I am completely ignorant on exactly how bitcoin works; but how the hell is it not possible to secure a bitcoin one owns.

It is entirely possible. Being a marketplace their software sends coins around for all sorts of reason, this is what was hacked. Someone's personal bit coins are not at risk.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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post #25

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They wanted to exit the business from the start. Saw a convenient time with everyone discussing a vulnerability, claim right away that vulnerability was used to steal all the money to avoid backlash from users.

Why would you care about backlash from users? It's Tor. You can just disappear forever.

Tor != can disappear forever and completely untraceable. The marketplace they have set up is often used to sell illegal items and substances. I would imagine there is a high percentage of those involved that if they found out who is behind and Silkroad 2.0 owners plainly and simply said -- "haha, I got your money now, too bad" would put enough resources into tracking them down and physically injuring them.

It just makes sense for them to mitigate risk and having a plausible "hey this recent vulnerability killed us, sorry, go read about in the news, it is bad..." excuse perhaps does that.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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There is a huge moral difference between the sort of victimless-crime-contraband that is on SR (especially since SR1 at least, not sure about SR2, actively filtered out child porn, weapons, assassinations and all of the other truly scary things that you can potentially sell on an anonymous market), and stealing millions of dollars from people at least a few of whom are dependent on substances and desperately need the…

LOL @ "victimless-crime-contraband." What a joke. Where do you think the majority of drugs come from? Some hippie's backyard? See the world's stop producers of drugs and you'll find violent, broken countries many of whom are run by drug cartels.

I suggest you think a bit harder about the causes and effects of this situation, because you seem to have them reversed.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

#106
post #80

For anyone still drinking the "Bitcoin is frictionless" kool-aid, this hasn't been a good week.

for anyone who sees bitcoin as a 'wild west' environment, this sort of thing is obvious and just moves the bitcoin economy forward. problems found now are fixed, and won't be as big of a deal later.

But this isn't a beta test. People treat Bitcoin as if it's ready for primetime and ready to replace traditional currency.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

#107
post #21

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The fact that they would be cutting their own revenue stream? I'm not saying its not possible but really this is just speculation. I could just as easily surmise that it was from a government or banks who feel threatened by bitcoin...

With any other business I would agree, but a $90k+ payout would probably be very attractive for someone running a clone of a drug site that got publicly busted just months before. I would imagine these guys have a countdown to when they get arrested ticking in their heads...

No, $90k is peanuts. Ross Ulbricht was making $19k a day on SR1, according to the complaint. Given that SR2, for all its problems and pissed off users, was still the biggest market, $90k is not worth killing it over. The estimates of >4500btc, on the other hand...

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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... and things like this do to a point hilight why there is a lot of regulation around money and trying to create a new "freer" currency is actually really dangerous. I'm pretty sure his operating practice of keeping all the money in one place would be against regulations. Also usually there are big security standards. And finally high transaction fees do in some part support insurance so when my/your visa is stolen or what ever, the bank can just refund me, and take it out of its insurance. Because storing a lot of money for a lot of people is a big deal, but its a well looked at deal, and trying to start from scratch ignoring all of that... well... you just end up with people loosing money in ways that would never happen otherwise. :/

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

#109
post #47

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I thought the 'malleability' problem only resulted in miners being DDOS'd. The transactions themselves were supposedly still 'intact' - i.e., inputs, outputs, addresses were not modified. So.... what are SR2 saying happened here? - Is it a double spend using SR2 escrow bitcoins? - How was the malleability introduced?

There are two potential issues with the malleability. One is the MtGox problem where you might not realize a transaction was successful and you are duped into sending the money twice. The second issue is a bug that was discovered in the reference client where if you try to spend coins you sent to yourself before they are confirmed a bug in the wallet causes your balance to be off. Neither problem inherently allows th…

> One is the MtGox problem where you might not realize a transaction was successful and you are duped into sending the money twice.

This isn't really a malleability issue however. Lets say it wasn't successful: You send again. Opps, someone pulls the original out of a hat and both go through.

The only way to safely reissue is to double spend the original transaction. Then you get atomic exclusion, and it's completely safe: only one can possibly get into the longest chain. This safety still applies if there is mutation going on.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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post #74
post #63

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It's entirely possible to be in support of a free and peaceful drug trade, while at the same time being morally against theft. I don't know why you're lumping the two.

Conflating law with ethics. Becoming more prevalent as the number of laws increase. I can't back it up with science (someone know of any research?), but it sure seems to be a trend when you compare among countries in various stages.

Well, Nuremberg trials and the American revolution show that ethics are above law in many peoples minds at least when convenient. And in many ways, opposite expressions of the notion of Natural Law vs. State. (not Socrates, of course)
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