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Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

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Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

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Post by mhurron »

justin66 wrote: post #93
grimtrigger wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of time is wasted on perfecting spelling/grammar because of comments like the one above. Are you having difficulty understanding Scott's message or intent?

> Are you having difficulty understanding Scott's message or intent? I assume Scott's either dumb or careless. If public communication isn't your thing, how hard is it to find someone to proofread your message when you're working at a corporation? In either case he's not the person Adobe should have handling a PR situation. > I think a lot of time is wasted on perfecting spelling/grammar because of comments like the…

> I assume Scott's either dumb or careless.

Because everyone's first and best language is English. I guess someone needs to welcome the US as a member of the rest of the world.

> Hence the way people are reacting.

No, people are going grammar nazi on the message because it makes them feel more important. It's the same reason you're nitpicking here.

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

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Post by vacri »

te_chris wrote: post #34
edj wrote: post #27

Installing old-school, shrinkwrapped box software onto computers that lack disk drives is a real pain point for a lot of people. I made a little video[1] explaining how to install MS Office Mac 2011 onto a MacBook Air -- for my own use, in case I ever needed to do it again -- and it's received over 36,000 views. LOTS of people have trouble with this. The Microsofts and Adobes in the industry don't appear to realize t…

Installing office is kids stuff, all 9 DVDs of native instrument's komplete 9 (not even the ultimate version which has like another 100 gigs of samples included) took 2 days using another laptop's drive over wifi.

A cat5 cable really isn't that expensive.

I don't understand the distaste people have regarding wired networking. In my office, I have several people who complain about the wifi having congestion. In the heart of the CBD, with tons of other networks visible. "That network cable on your desk, which I put there for you to use, plug it in and this problem goes away". They plug it in, comment on how quick and clean their network is now... then complain the next day about wifi congestion.

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

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Post by mattkevan »

greenyoda wrote: post #31

A guy from Adobe replied in the comments. Apparently Adobe is a bit uncomfortable with the advice that their support rep gave about downloading a pirated copy of the software: Hi, your blog post was brought to my attention. After reading this post, I want to apologize for the way that your issue was handled. Our tech support agent provided you incorrect information as far “that its OK to download pirated software”. T…

Funny that, I've downloaded plenty of things from t'internet but the only time I've had a security issue is after I signed up for an Adobe account and they exposed my email and password.

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

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Post by nsfmc »

cromulent wrote: post #50

Yet another Adobe story: I paid for CS4, infrequent user, after a couple of hardware changes (SSDs etc) it wouldn't install anymore. Long Skype call to US (over an hour), treated like criminal. Forget it, I'm your customer taking the burden of your business problems. Happy Acorn user now. So many dollars over the years on PS/Macromedia/etc, never again. So tired of companies treating honest customers like criminals.…

i was skeptical about reinstalling cs4 when i upgraded to mavericks and found that it actually worked. amazing. the unintuitive part was that i needed to install java which is no longer standard on a bare osx install, but afterwards, it worked, which blew my mind. i guess ymmv.

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

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Post by akerl_ »

sergiotapia wrote: post #39
akerl_ wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you clarify how pirating Adobe's software is "the only option available to [you]"? I get that it's ridiculously expensive and generally a pain in the ass... but needing to do something expensive doesn't provide justification for bypassing the cost, or in any way make "paying for the product" no longer an option.

Meh, it's an industry monopoly they have on a global scale. And a web developer from india cannot afford the huge price that comes with Adobe Photoshop - so they pirate it. Don't care personally, what do you they expect, in the real world? Shades of gray and all that. Another example: games. A AAA game costs 60$ on Steam a price 90% of the people online in South America can't afford. So what happened recently? A lot…

No offense, but there really aren't "shades of gray" here. I've definitely pirated things, but not wanting to pay the cost of something doesn't entitle you to spring forth "illegally downloading" as a justified option.

The article's case, where downloading the software legitimately was actually not an option, does establish that other option: he has paid for the software (or the serial, or the dream of software, or whatever), but Adobe has now made it impossible to legitimately access the software. He didn't contact Adobe and say "I've decided I must use your software, but I do not wish to pay, so it's cool if I pirate, right?"

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

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Post by nfoz »

krapp wrote: post #98
tlow wrote: post #84

If you truly care, develop a free alternative that is just as good as their products. See RMS.

Problem is, the open source community apparently decided Gimp and Inkscape were probably good enough, and few people who've ever used Adobe software would likely agree. Never mind that employers probably won't have them installed, and probably won't allow them to be used in house, they won't care if Gimp and Inkscape are on your resume if they're looking specifically to hire for photoshop/illustrator experience, and…

> Problem is, the open source community apparently decided Gimp and Inkscape were probably good enough

I suspect the projects are just short on developer effort, and that no-one decided it was "good enough" to not need improvement. If you are submitting patches that are being denied by the project maintainers, you are welcome to fork the project. That is the "open source community".

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

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Post by kalleboo »

I had a similar issue with Apple accessing my download for an old version of iWork (this was before the App Store was launched). Took me an hour on the phone and a few hours waiting for them to get back to me via email, but I did eventually get a download link to some internal server...

I was amazed they didn't have a real procedure for it, but that's how a real support team handles the issue.

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

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Post by mattkevan »

davidgerard wrote: post #11

This is Adobe lining themselves up for someone to do to them what they did to Quark. And by the same mechanism: utter contempt for the customer.

Please, yes! That would be amazing.

I used quark for years back in the day and when InDesign CS1 came out it seemed like the industry switched overnight. Until then even though both Quarks 4 and 5 had been released no one I knew, including printers, had gone further than Quark 3.1.

The entire creative suite cost less than Quark and Photoshop was essential anyway. No contest. Plus it had support for OS X, could do transparency (no more creating drop shadows in Photoshop and importing them as a flat TIFF, the joy!), had really good typography support (no more creating a separate text box for bullets and manually aligning them), and getting a press-ready PDF out of it wasn't some sort of voodoo.

The difference 10 years makes. Now Adobe software is slow, bloated and buggy with only minor reasons to upgrade version to version. It seems like the fit and finish is worse on each release and watching photoshop or illustrator creak into life, even on my SSD macbook, is a painful experience.

I think the only reason I've upgraded recently is due to their policy of making newer version file formats incompatible with the older version, so I've had to if I want to open files from colleagues. Creative Cloud is a blatant attempt to extract as much rent as they can before the gig is up, not as a way to provide a useful service. For that reason I won't be upgrading from CS6, even though as a designer it's the software I use most.

We need an Adobe competitor who'll either remind them they can write good software when they have to or consign them to irrelevance.

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