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Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by dba7dba » Wed, Jan 29, 2014, 5:14 PM UTC

gress wrote: post #70

dba7dba wrote: post #20

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Kinda ironic if apple does increase sales with bigger screen, because it means apple is a follower, not a leader.

Doing something at the correct time to defeat a competitor doesn't make you a follower. It means you understand the market better.

I'm assuming you are saying Apple understands the market better because they are doing something (releasing iphone with bigger screen) at correct time to defeat samsung.

Isn't that what Samsung did by coming out with the bigger screened phones? Samsung knew the market was ready for bigger screens when Apple didn't think so, no?

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by gress » Wed, Jan 29, 2014, 5:25 PM UTC

dba7dba wrote: post #101

gress wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doing something at the correct time to defeat a competitor doesn't make you a follower. It means you understand the market better.

I'm assuming you are saying Apple understands the market better because they are doing something (releasing iphone with bigger screen) at correct time to defeat samsung. Isn't that what Samsung did by coming out with the bigger screened phones? Samsung knew the market was ready for bigger screens when Apple didn't think so, no?

Firstly, Samsung isn't defeating anyone. Most of the devices they ship are unprofitable low end devices. This makes for a single impressive sounding headline, but has little to do with their competitive position.

Secondly - Samsung was forced to sell bigger screen phones because they couldn't achieve good battery life with smaller devices.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by dba7dba » Wed, Jan 29, 2014, 5:59 PM UTC

gress wrote: post #102

dba7dba wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming you are saying Apple understands the market better because they are doing something (releasing iphone with bigger screen) at correct time to defeat samsung. Isn't that what Samsung did by coming out with the bigger screened phones? Samsung knew the market was ready for bigger screens when Apple didn't think so, no?

Firstly, Samsung isn't defeating anyone. Most of the devices they ship are unprofitable low end devices. This makes for a single impressive sounding headline, but has little to do with their competitive position. Secondly - Samsung was forced to sell bigger screen phones because they couldn't achieve good battery life with smaller devices.

First, I NEVER said Samsung was defeating anyone in my post. But come to think of it, Samsung has defeated pretty much every other Android phone makers. But again, I never said Samsung was defeating anyone.

Not only that, Samsung was more profitable than apple for 2 consecutive quarters in 2013 before newer iPhones were released. Of course ton of other profits of samsung came from non-phones. http://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-is-now-a-more-profita...

Second, source on that battery story?

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by gress » Wed, Jan 29, 2014, 10:30 PM UTC

dba7dba wrote: post #103

gress wrote: post #102

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Firstly, Samsung isn't defeating anyone. Most of the devices they ship are unprofitable low end devices. This makes for a single impressive sounding headline, but has little to do with their competitive position. Secondly - Samsung was forced to sell bigger screen phones because they couldn't achieve good battery life with smaller devices.

First, I NEVER said Samsung was defeating anyone in my post. But come to think of it, Samsung has defeated pretty much every other Android phone makers. But again, I never said Samsung was defeating anyone. Not only that, Samsung was more profitable than apple for 2 consecutive quarters in 2013 before newer iPhones were released. Of course ton of other profits of samsung came from non-phones. http://www.businessinsid…

You may not have said Samsung was defeating anyone in your earlier comment, but you implied it, and now you have said it.

Samsung has defeated all old brands that attempted to survive by adopt android, but is now itself being defeated by cheaper new Chinese brands that can steal its low end share while Apple consumes the high end.

What is the point of mentioning Samsung's temporary high profits from other sources when we are discussing phone strategy?

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by dba7dba » Fri, Feb 07, 2014, 10:10 PM UTC

gress wrote: post #104

dba7dba wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, I NEVER said Samsung was defeating anyone in my post. But come to think of it, Samsung has defeated pretty much every other Android phone makers. But again, I never said Samsung was defeating anyone. Not only that, Samsung was more profitable than apple for 2 consecutive quarters in 2013 before newer iPhones were released. Of course ton of other profits of samsung came from non-phones. http://www.businessinsid…

You may not have said Samsung was defeating anyone in your earlier comment, but you implied it, and now you have said it. Samsung has defeated all old brands that attempted to survive by adopt android, but is now itself being defeated by cheaper new Chinese brands that can steal its low end share while Apple consumes the high end. What is the point of mentioning Samsung's temporary high profits from other sources whe…

Well I fell into the same hole as you did. IMO, you don't defeat a company. Because a defeated company can always come back. Apple almost disappeared. Samsung suffered seriously from the Asian financial crisis.

But any how, what's your source for this statement: Secondly - Samsung was forced to sell bigger screen phones because they couldn't achieve good battery life with smaller devices.