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Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by knowtheory »

joyeuse6701 wrote: post #62
dewitt wrote: post #4

Is the "bro" intended to be ironic, or are the creators actually not aware that the term is used to represent the worst (most misogynistic, most crass, least mature, least dependable) people currently flocking to the industry? It is by its very definition exclusionary. I suppose "brogrammers" might be a target audience, but the concept of the tool itself is pretty good for just about anyone. Shame about the name.

It's a play on words. This oversensitive, over analytical take on sexuality is getting old. What would you have preferred, the hu-man pages? But that would be exclusionary to people in the industry who don't consider themselves human! What next, are you going to suggest that parents name their children gender neutral names so they don't have to chaff at it if they change gender? You can infer everything, from anythin…

Actually why not?

Why not 'bot' pages?

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by thwarted »

dictum wrote: post #37
scythe wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a pun on "man", almost surely. It's certainly possible that someone might not have the same interpretation of "bro", which is short for "brother", as the average internet addict. There's nothing inherently bigoted about the term, and it has a long history of use divorced from any puerile or irresponsible behavior. More importantly, it's not any sort of insult, it's a term people use when they're being friendly t…

> If saying "bro" makes some people uncomfortable, the bottom line is that it just makes a lot more sense to change it. I don't want to advocate obnoxiousness and misogyny, but there are many things that can make people uncomfortable. Making it a rule to avoid everything that make more than two individuals uncomfortable is one of those ideas that seem good and empathetic until they become the norm and stifle freedom…

Last sentence of this comment objected to "ether".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7041947

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by mkohlmyr »

GunlogAlm wrote: post #56
dewitt wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of people are familiar with the term. It is not a compliment. See http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bro . "Obnoxious partying males who are often seen at college parties." "An alpha male idiot. This is the derogatory sense of the word (common usage in the western US): white, 16-25 years old, inarticulate, belligerent, talks about nothing but chicks and beer" "A usually white young male, fou…

Yeah, it can mean all that, or it can just mean "friend"...

But if we don't actively try to get offended at every little thing around us, how are we going to spend all our time?

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#104

Post by boyaka »

blahedo wrote: post #99

Great idea; shame about the name. Here's the problem with using words like "bro" (however jokingly): the problem is not with what you [0] are thinking when you read the word "bro", but with what other people , especially newcomers, are thinking. The locker-room atmosphere that stuff like this creates is a huge barrier to entry for a lot of people, women especially, who infer that on top of all the technically difficu…

Adding additional information can be done in parentheses or additional paragraphs, not by pretending to be sources.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#105

Post by anigbrowl »

benatkin wrote: post #90
enjo wrote: post #8

This is great. I'm really just looking for examples most of the time I'm looking through a man page anyways. As for the "bro"trevorsy that is brewing in these comments. Lighten up for crying out loud.

"Lighten up" doesn't solve anything. I'm not against jokes but the implying man in man pages means male and not an abbreviation of manual is exclusionary. http://therealkatie.net/blog/2012/mar/21/lighten-up/

The entire Unix command line is exclusionary. If it wanted to be inclusive 'man' would be called 'help'. We're not using 300bps dumb terminals any more, I fail to see the value in forcing everyone to learn commands like cp and mv instead of copy and move.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by res0nat0r »

benatkin wrote: post #90
enjo wrote: post #8

This is great. I'm really just looking for examples most of the time I'm looking through a man page anyways. As for the "bro"trevorsy that is brewing in these comments. Lighten up for crying out loud.

"Lighten up" doesn't solve anything. I'm not against jokes but the implying man in man pages means male and not an abbreviation of manual is exclusionary. http://therealkatie.net/blog/2012/mar/21/lighten-up/

It is a play on words. Calm down.

Running 'brew install bro' on your Mac isn't going to cause all women in IT to worry they are being excluded.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#107

Post by lhnz »

couchand wrote: post #93
lhnz wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I was kidding about 'man', but my point is that 'bro' isn't that exclusionary. In fact, I think the problem here is that a lot of geeks don't like 'bros' and I am doubting that they're hated by women as much. Personal opinion here, but: a lot of women have friends that are bros; a lot fewer geeks have friends that are bros.

Curious that you seem to think that women and geeks are mutually exclusive groups...

No I didn't say that. I think that is completely false.

>> A lot of geeks don't like 'bros' and I am doubting that they're hated by women as much. Personal opinion here, but: a lot of women have friends that are bros; a lot fewer geeks have friends that are bros.

I think women that are geeks also have fewer 'bro' friends.

Geek is a property of men and women, it is not a mutually-exclusive group.

Nice try, trying to implicate me in sexism but I do not like it when people try to read things into what I say that I've never implied. I intended one thing, stop trying to use it against me...

What I am saying is that I think a group of non-genderised geeks define the label 'bro' by its negative connotations more so than the greater super set of non-geeks (even those which are of the female gender.) It's a case of a new set of people 'bros' joining another set of people 'geeks'; it's exactly the same group behaviour as you see when people from different cultures immigrate into a country; same us-vs-them group behaviour; same magnification and amplification of negative connotations.

A bro is just a stereotype. People are people and you should get to know them first before rejecting them (and especially if there are negative behaviours that you want to treat.)

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#108

Post by couchand »

boyaka wrote: post #104
blahedo wrote: post #99

Great idea; shame about the name. Here's the problem with using words like "bro" (however jokingly): the problem is not with what you [0] are thinking when you read the word "bro", but with what other people , especially newcomers, are thinking. The locker-room atmosphere that stuff like this creates is a huge barrier to entry for a lot of people, women especially, who infer that on top of all the technically difficu…

Adding additional information can be done in parentheses or additional paragraphs, not by pretending to be sources.

Tone argument[0] much?

[0]: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Tone_argument

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#109

Post by neumann »

pstack wrote: post #69
mtrimpe wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're shitting us right? Manpages referred to man uals , not men . But given that I'm obviously swimming against the tide here at HN I'll just cave ..... Word, brah! Like, totally right on! We should be making like 'sispages' next with like only explanations and shit. Get it? For like the sissy-grammers! Awesome dude. You da bomb!

I can't tell if people here are being intentionally thick or not. "Is bro supposed to be sexist or is it meant to be ironic?" "Man referred to manual, not men!" I can't even imagine many of you people watching a stand-up comic. Your heads must verge on exploding. The diagram for the pun/humor here would be about as simple as a diagram could be.

Well, bad comedy is still bad. Much like the naming of this idea.

The term is already reserved for a subgroup that celebrates itself for being exclusionary, crass and insistently unreflective about its privilege in society.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#110

Post by blahedo »

boyaka wrote: post #104
blahedo wrote: post #99

Great idea; shame about the name. Here's the problem with using words like "bro" (however jokingly): the problem is not with what you [0] are thinking when you read the word "bro", but with what other people , especially newcomers, are thinking. The locker-room atmosphere that stuff like this creates is a huge barrier to entry for a lot of people, women especially, who infer that on top of all the technically difficu…

Adding additional information can be done in parentheses or additional paragraphs, not by pretending to be sources.

They're footnotes. Footnotes are used both to cite sources and to make remarks that are relevant but would break up the flow of the prose.
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