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Google Translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=vi&tl=en&u=ht... English article from "The Hindu": http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/workers-building-s...

The Hindu article mentions 4 injured, but not 8 dead. Is there another source on the 8 dead figure?

This is the best source I can find.

"11 people were injured, 5 of them seriously"

http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/pages/20140109-11-injured...

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Ah yes, the wonderful world of libertarian thought. Where sweatshops to make cheap shit for rich countries is a win-win.

Sure, it would be preferable to jump straight from poor farmers to a picket fence and a swimming pool without the in between, do you have a suggested way to do that?

Rawanda is trying to do something like that: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/04/paul-kagame-e...

They're attempting to bypass the heavy-industry stage of development, and go straight to being a knowledge/service economy. The jury is still very much out on that effort, but it's certainly worth a shot.

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Purely anecdotal, but a buddy of mine lives in Shenzhen and tells me that Apple's leading the pack in terms of sweatshop conditions. Whether that's completely true, who knows.

Leading the pack in which direction? Improving sweatshop conditions or the factories they use have the worst sweatshop conditions?

which do you honestly think it is?

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Hundreds of millions of Chinese have been lifted out of poverty because of their manufacturing boom. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the fact that you're still clinging to the outdated economic beliefs that used to keep the Chinese people poor and starving.

It's a broken world where the solution to poverty is the exploitation of a generation.

It's not broken--advances in civilization have always tended to involve sacrifice, be it through war, farming, or manufacturing.

Sorry, but things are going well within normal.

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Look at how far China has progressed. It has nothing to do with Libertarianism, and everything to do with Economics...

Surely it must be possible to have economic development in poor countries without sweatshop-level exploitation.

Care to name an example from the last 100 years?

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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It's a broken world where the solution to poverty is the exploitation of a generation.

To those who have replied: None of you have disagreed with my statement. It is a broken world. A generation is being exploited. I made no further comment.

But it's obvious the world is already broken. It's not a stretch to infer by your post that you are implicitly passing some sort of judgement on the state of manufacturing jobs in these countries, and that is what folks are responding to.

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Except it's not. China has reached the stage in economic development that people are moving to higher skilled and higher paying jobs. Infrastructure in Vietnam has improved to the extent that is ready for large manufacturing plants. While companies are saving by moving manufacturing plants, many people (millions) in Vietnam are going to experience higher standard of living. I say it's a win win.

The Philippines would also be a great place for manufacturers to look at.

The Philippines is already a place the Chinese Navy is looking at ...

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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Except it's not. China has reached the stage in economic development that people are moving to higher skilled and higher paying jobs. Infrastructure in Vietnam has improved to the extent that is ready for large manufacturing plants. While companies are saving by moving manufacturing plants, many people (millions) in Vietnam are going to experience higher standard of living. I say it's a win win.

> China has reached the stage in economic development that people are moving to higher skilled and higher paying jobs. Yeah... 'caus that worked for Mexico... can China look forward to a descent into drug traficking fueled civil war now?

It's actually working pretty well for most Mexicans, just not the minority who live near the US border.

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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> Hell, even Paul Krugman doesn't label the issue as black and white. As if Paul Krugman is the pinnacle of radical thought on the issue? He is a Keynesian -- which I guess counts for something like "far left" in the US.

Not only that, but he's been consistently pro globalization for his entire public career - even his work that lead to a nobel prize was along this issue.

Exactly. And at this point, his columns basically act as a fig leaf for Democrats to continue to support global "free" trade.

Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

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> many people (millions) in Vietnam are going to experience higher standard of living. Aren't therefore many people (millions) in China going to experience lower standard of living?

The economy is not a zero-sum game. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

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