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Rapgenius.com Traffic and Demographic Statistics
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#102Can someone explain why this is a topic worthy of discussion? I get that they had a SEO tactic, Google penalized them, they offered an empty apology for it, and now we're up to the present. Stating the obvious of "traffic drops when Google penalizes you" seems like a "sun rose again today"-type story.
Why? Because the sheer magnitude is crazy. Rap Genius's traffic fell by nearly two thirds ! This is a very prominent, YC-affiliated startup that is being nuked by Google. It should come as no surprise that the news is seen as significant by the HN crowd. Moreover, I think many people are upset with the scope of Google's punishment. De-weighting RG is one thing, nuking it into the ground is entirely different, and is…
Penalties are blunt instruments.
The whole point of this penalty is that Google cannot trust the signals that are in its index when it comes to Rap Genius's site. And it sure isn't Google's fault that they can't.
Can Google subtract out all the "naughty stuff" and decide if Rap Genius deserves to even be on the front page for "rap genius" anymore? I doubt it.
If Google's search had a category for "obvious searches" then yes, maybe they could apply a penalty as delicately as possible. But delicateness is not really the point. Dropping them down 50 spots is blunt and simple. I think everything about this approach makes sense.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
In one of the other threads, some stated that Google do not have monopoly status. The claim they used was that google only has 25% of the search market. This topic is interesting because it shows how much in a monopoly status google really is in in controlling where traffic goes on the net.
you are not using that word correctly. If Google was the only company doing search and prevented others from entering the market you would be correct. Being the best through a superior product and innovating is not a monopoly.
From the perspective of web users, there is choice(even if heavily skewed by default search in browsers). But from the perspective of web sites/web companies/web devs/web advertisers, there is very less choice and bordering a monopoly, as this example illustrates. Even worse if you're someone like MapQuest, a shopping site, or Yahoo Finance, since most people tend to search locations on search engines/browser and are quickly steered to their equivalent competitors from the search engine company. Anyway, usually antitrust regulations are about market power and influence, for example see DoJ vs. Apple over eBooks, even though iOS never even had majority share, forget about a monopoly.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
the entire argument is questionable as to what Google's strategy is but they are only in that position because of a superior product in a market with a relatively low barrier.
Low barrier?! Giant companies like Yahoo, staffed with large teams of search technology pioneers, have been scared out of search competition. Google touts its massive custom infrastructure. The arms race between Google and SEO creates a massive pollution backwash of false quality signals on the web, that make things way harder for any upstart which lacks Google's decade-plus of proprietary know-how and billions in ha…
while DDG started by 1 guy and entrants like blekko or qwiki can differentiate in other ways and enter and compete easily.
Again everything you are saying is because of superior product/employees and innovation. Your entire argument is based off no one else can come up with a better product so lets punish them
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#105Worse happened to Quickmeme when they were banned from reddit for bot-voting.
Do you have any sources/further information on their numbers?
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is exactly it. Their affect is another example of cultural appropriation of "urban" culture by three very affluent guys (Stanford & Yale grads), which I think turns a lot of people off, including myself. As someone who genuinely grew up in that culture, it is painfully cringe worthy and just sad to see people who have no background in it adopt it. Their Disrupt interview was a genuine display of the gene…
It's incredibly racist and classist for these privileged plutocrats to mimic the dialects of the underprivileged. The ironic and overplayed way in which they take on the pose also makes it clear that they intend it as a publicity stunt--not as genuine respect for the culture or because they fit into the culture or want to fit in. They just want money and they think this is a money making stunt. It's one of the cleare…
Is it genuine rage or sarcasm? It seems to be genuine but I just can't believe that.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
you are not using that word correctly. If Google was the only company doing search and prevented others from entering the market you would be correct. Being the best through a superior product and innovating is not a monopoly.
From the perspective of web users, there is choice(even if heavily skewed by default search in browsers). But from the perspective of web sites/web companies/web devs/web advertisers, there is very less choice and bordering a monopoly, as this example illustrates. Even worse if you're someone like MapQuest, a shopping site, or Yahoo Finance, since most people tend to search locations on search engines/browser and are…
The U.S. accused Apple Inc. and five of the nation's largest publishers Wednesday of conspiring to raise e-book prices. I don't even see how thats relevant to how Google does business within their own ad products. Who exactly is Google colluding with to suppress or hurt competition ?
Companies will do business where the users are. The minute there is a better product or users abandon google, those same people you listed will leave as well. So maybe we should go after Facebook for destroying MySpace as well ? The entire argument is based on the fact that Google offers a superior product and should punish them for this.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that it's because they are not fans of their brogrammer antics. Read this thread for example (or any other Rap Genius thread on HN) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6904224 The original link that was deleted was this http://aphyr.com/media/recruiters/rapgenius.txt
What did I just read? I don't understand that exchange at all. So Rap Genius sent a corny email to this guy trying to hire him. And...?
What you've just read was manufactured outrage for fun and profit.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Can someone explain why this is a topic worthy of discussion? I find it incredibly interesting to know just how hard they got hit. I find it interesting that maybe someone from rap genius will be in these comments providing some extra context and insight. Can you explain why you care if other people discuss a topic you don't think is "worthy" of discussion? You know you can ignore the story and look at the entire re…
>Can you explain why you care if other people discuss a topic you don't think is "worthy" of discussion? I thought there might be a piece to this story that I was missing. I gained a lot of value from the replies to my question (esp. the conversation spawned from @snowwrestler's comment.) >You know you can ignore the story and look at the entire rest of the front page, right? You didn't really need this in your comme…
> It was a bit of snark that devalued your otherwise justified response.
No it wasn't. Comments like yours are peppered throughout HN and Reddit, and the answer is always the same: the users found it interesting. It's a democratic voting system -- get over it.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd replace the word monopoly with popular.
"A monopoly (from Greek monos μόνος (alone or single) + polein πωλεῖν (to sell)) exists when a specific person or enterprise is the only supplier of a particular commodity. Monopolies are thus characterized by a lack of economic competition to produce the good or service and a lack of viable substitute goods. The verb "monopolize" refers to the process by which a company gains the ability to raise prices or exclude c…
Google is not the only supplier to internet searches and is not excluding competitors. They are merely very popular and are thus not a monopoly.