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One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by Iku-Nuku-117G »

michaelochurch wrote: post #84
enraged_camel wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have anything to do with growing up. You have to go for the root cause, which is religious conservatism. Think about it: why can European TV channels show nudity (and sometimes even porn) during daytime? Is it because Europeans are more "grown up" or is it because they have more sane, liberal values and worldviews?

Immaturity (in the aggregate) is an outgrowth and cause of cultural degradation, which is more of a problem in the US than in European countries in which, yes, people tend (on average) to be more socially balanced and adult. Religious conservatism is one expression of an immature mindset (an imaginary friend who rains buttfire on your ideological enemies by the millions). Hunter Moore does not appear religious, but s…

This would be the same Europe where millions of people were murdered by their own governments within living memory, that had a functioning Fascist state (a real one) until 1975 and Communist slave states up until 1989, and that has has active "ethnic cleansing" going on right now? That Europe?

Just checking.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by defen »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #60
michaelochurch wrote: post #50

What's really sick is the personality cult around this creep, even after the end of IAU. I had originally assumed that the "I love Hunter" posts that appear on the Internet on the topic were him-- he's a troll; trolls do that-- but apparently he has real-life fans. It's basically the Shawn Parker story. No real accomplishments, but active participation in the party scene leads to high status. If this current incarnat…

> What's really sick is the personality cult around this creep Yeah, I just had a look at his Twitter, there's a lot of girls sending him naked pictures and telling him how much they love him, and a bunch of sycophants avidly defending him (in a highly misogynistic manner, natürlich).

> there's a lot of girls sending him naked pictures and telling him how much they love him

Some women just have really broken status filters. They're attracted to guys with high status, and ignore the fact that he achieved that through evil means. It's the same thing that causes women to fall in love with convicted murderers serving life sentences.

From his vice interview:

A lot of people send the naked pictures to get jobs in the adult industry, too. But the one thing they have in common is they’re fucking retarded. That’s the similarity. They’re just stupid people. All I really do is take advantage of them; it’s just them being fucking retarded.

http://www.vice.com/read/hunter-moores-new-site-will-make-ge...

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by enraged_camel »

Iku-Nuku-117G wrote: post #101
michaelochurch wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Immaturity (in the aggregate) is an outgrowth and cause of cultural degradation, which is more of a problem in the US than in European countries in which, yes, people tend (on average) to be more socially balanced and adult. Religious conservatism is one expression of an immature mindset (an imaginary friend who rains buttfire on your ideological enemies by the millions). Hunter Moore does not appear religious, but s…

This would be the same Europe where millions of people were murdered by their own governments within living memory, that had a functioning Fascist state (a real one) until 1975 and Communist slave states up until 1989, and that has has active "ethnic cleansing" going on right now ? That Europe? Just checking.

Can you please explain what any of those has anything to do with showing nudity and sex on daytime TV?

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by fallingOff »

taybin wrote: post #99
fallingOff wrote: post #76

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If you trust in the feasibility of anonymous currency and anonymous internet hosting/browsing (we are close to both already via Tor and Bitcoin/blind mixes), then get ready for a world with assassination markets. It really doesn't matter what you think about it. I see a number of advantages to de facto anarchy, Hunter Moore getting offed is only one.

You're so cyberpunk! You think the world wouldn't react to an assassination market? You think the internet wouldn't be changed to disallow such a thing? Think again.

No, I don't think anyone will be able to stop the proliferation of anonymous networks and currencies.

I think there will be negatives in that world too. The whole thing is too big for me to even reflect on. I'm not a cyberpunk.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by Iku-Nuku-117G »

enraged_camel wrote: post #104
Iku-Nuku-117G wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would be the same Europe where millions of people were murdered by their own governments within living memory, that had a functioning Fascist state (a real one) until 1975 and Communist slave states up until 1989, and that has has active "ethnic cleansing" going on right now ? That Europe? Just checking.

Can you please explain what any of those has anything to do with showing nudity and sex on daytime TV?

Can you please explain why not showing boobies on TV is a sign of "cultural degradation" and all the other insults that michaelochurch was flinging around but (e.g.) murdering 80 or so million people is not?

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by barry-cotter »

sliverstorm wrote: post #63
Nursie wrote: post #62

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>> a sex-positive culture will not prevent the Hunter Moores of the world from making other people's lives miserable. No, but it would be an easy weapon to take away from them.

No, it would be a hard-as-shit weapon to take away from them. In theory it sounds easy, but culture moves at a glacial pace.

Ireland has been a Christian country since the 800s or thereabouts. It legalised contraception sometime in the 80s, divorce in the 90s and will have gay marriage some time this decade. None of these things are compatible with Christianity as it has been understood for most of its existence.

Culture can move very fast. In 100 years if there's anyone close enough to look at us as people rather than precursors they will be revolted that we ate dead animal flesh and stuck children in rooms eight hours a day five days a week and sent them back if they left.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by tesseractive »

simonsarris wrote: post #29
nsxwolf wrote: post #19

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So would you say that Hunter Moore is really a hero? Helping us all get over our hang ups wether we like it or not?

I think that's a stretch - it would be like saying war is really a good thing because of the (possibly good) ending side effects. If I may recall the relevant operetta on HN: CANDIDE: Objection! What about war? PANGLOSS: War! Though war may seem a bloody curse It is a blessing in reverse When canon roar -- Both rich and poor By danger are united! (Till every wrong is righted!) Philosophers make evident The point that…

Actually, supporting someone for shaming women because it furthers the goal of creating a society in which women are no longer shamed is more like supporting serial killers because the the publicity they draw helps people feel more strongly about the sanctity of human life.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by mistercow »

marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

I find it hard to even muster anger at Moore and his followers. Moore is likely a psychopath, his followers are psychopaths and/or 13-year-olds, and it's hard for me to see those organisms as anything but a devastating force of nature. They need to be stopped from hurting people, but my emotional response to them is much like my response to malaria or HIV.

No, the people who make me angry are the ones like that principal.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by tesseractive »

michaelochurch wrote: post #84
enraged_camel wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have anything to do with growing up. You have to go for the root cause, which is religious conservatism. Think about it: why can European TV channels show nudity (and sometimes even porn) during daytime? Is it because Europeans are more "grown up" or is it because they have more sane, liberal values and worldviews?

Immaturity (in the aggregate) is an outgrowth and cause of cultural degradation, which is more of a problem in the US than in European countries in which, yes, people tend (on average) to be more socially balanced and adult. Religious conservatism is one expression of an immature mindset (an imaginary friend who rains buttfire on your ideological enemies by the millions). Hunter Moore does not appear religious, but s…

The ironic thing is that most societies in history at most points in time would look at the presence of porn on TV itself as cultural degradation, and the opposition to it as a sign of maintaining proper cultural standards.

Which is not to say that view is right, but it illustrates that throwing around a term like "cultural degradation" at all can be quite problematic.

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