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Motorola Makes The Moto G Official, A “Premium” Phone Starting At $179 Unlocked

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Re: Motorola Makes The Moto G Official, A “Premium” Phone Starting At $179 Unlocked

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got an unlocked LG L9 months ago for $179 with a 4.5 inch screen and LTE. It has been discontinued now, but I have been wondering why LG seemed to be the only company capable of coming out with decent spec phones at decent prices.

Perhaps it simply isn't profitable?

Motorola still hasn't posted a profit since Google's purchase. I don't see how this product is going to turn those tables.

It could be they will simply become Google's hardware R&D arm and effectively a cost-center.

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#102
It would be very 'premium' if it supported Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) right out of the box. The specs only mention Bluetooth 4.0, but sadly that's not enough for real BLE support on Android pre 4.4 KitKat. An unexpensive Android smartphone that works with my Fitbit Flex and other BLE devices would be awesome.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Motorola Mobility is now a Google (R) subsidiary...

Fully aware, but it's not important as it's being run as a separate business concern so it's a for-profit enterprise.

> so it's a for-profit enterprise.

Or not, given that Motorola has been operating at a loss for quite some time now.

Re: Motorola Makes The Moto G Official, A “Premium” Phone Starting At $179 Unlocked

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The $179 price is total bullshit. In Brazil, where the phone was actually launched (and being produced), the price is US$279 (8GB) and US$343 (16GB). Not that I, as a Brazilian consumer, am not used to getting dicked on hardware prices for everything. But reading $179 over and over again is kind of making me want to punch my screen.

US advertised prices do not include sales/VAT taxes, which I gather are quite substantial in Brazil.

Re: Motorola Makes The Moto G Official, A “Premium” Phone Starting At $179 Unlocked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that the iPhone 5s also has 1GB of RAM and has a similar CPU speed (1.3GHz). I feel you on the LTE portion, but much of the targeted market has no opportunity to use LTE. Maybe they could have a Moto G+ that costs $50-75 more and includes LTE.

But the iPhone 5s has a much more capable CPU, you can't compare both based purely on clock speeds. Each Cortex-A7 should be slower clock for clock than an Cortex-A9, so it should put the single threaded CPU performance between the iphone 4s and the iPhone 5, although it can maybe outperfom an iphone 5 in highly threaded tasks.

Apple still sells the 4s, which has half the RAM and a slower CPU. And I wouldn't call the 4s a low-end phone.

Basically, the days when a <$200 Android was painful to use (click, wait for the UI to figure out what you just did) are past.

Re: Motorola Makes The Moto G Official, A “Premium” Phone Starting At $179 Unlocked

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The $179 price is total bullshit. In Brazil, where the phone was actually launched (and being produced), the price is US$279 (8GB) and US$343 (16GB). Not that I, as a Brazilian consumer, am not used to getting dicked on hardware prices for everything. But reading $179 over and over again is kind of making me want to punch my screen.

You realize that that's because of your government's extremely high incentives to manufacture in Brazil, right?

The Moto G is manufactured in Brazil and is priced as if it was imported. In fact, perhaps as a slap in the face of the consumer, it's priced exactly as if it was imported. There's a 60% importation tax, which means that importing a 179 dollar phone goes for exactly 650 reais, which is what they're pricing it.

So, no, it's not because of taxes. Unless the cost of production in Brazil is precisely 60% the price of production in the US, this is just plain markup on a market used to it, so they abuse it while still being below the other high-markup devices.

Re: Motorola Makes The Moto G Official, A “Premium” Phone Starting At $179 Unlocked

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post #94

The $179 price is total bullshit. In Brazil, where the phone was actually launched (and being produced), the price is US$279 (8GB) and US$343 (16GB). Not that I, as a Brazilian consumer, am not used to getting dicked on hardware prices for everything. But reading $179 over and over again is kind of making me want to punch my screen.

$179 before import duty.

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Re: Motorola Makes The Moto G Official, A “Premium” Phone Starting At $179 Unlocked

#108

The $179 price is total bullshit. In Brazil, where the phone was actually launched (and being produced), the price is US$279 (8GB) and US$343 (16GB). Not that I, as a Brazilian consumer, am not used to getting dicked on hardware prices for everything. But reading $179 over and over again is kind of making me want to punch my screen.

How much are iPhone 5S, Nexus 5, HTC One, and Galaxy S4 in Brazil?

Iphone 5 - Starts at 2.299 BRL (~980 USD) for the 16GB and goes to 2.899 BRL (~1242 USD). I kid you not [0].

[0]: http://i.imgur.com/EEeTi6G.png

Re: Motorola Makes The Moto G Official, A “Premium” Phone Starting At $179 Unlocked

#109

The $179 price is total bullshit. In Brazil, where the phone was actually launched (and being produced), the price is US$279 (8GB) and US$343 (16GB). Not that I, as a Brazilian consumer, am not used to getting dicked on hardware prices for everything. But reading $179 over and over again is kind of making me want to punch my screen.

US advertised prices do not include sales/VAT taxes, which I gather are quite substantial in Brazil.

VAT in Brazil is lower than in the UK. It's not really substantial, not as to explain a 100 dollar increase in a product. There are other taxes that are levied on production and sale (the VAT equivalent is just one), but the complexity of the tributary system is used as an excuse by electronics producers for the increased prices.

It's a huge effort in dark math to explain the prices these companies put up. There's a lot of "blame the government" and people love to do that, not enough "we're being ripped off by these companies".

Even products with massive tax brakes are among the most expensive in the world. It's not solely a tributary or legislative issue.

Re: Motorola Makes The Moto G Official, A “Premium” Phone Starting At $179 Unlocked

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This phone looks like a game changer to me, because it has the specs of a high-end smartphone but is priced like a crappy low-end one. The cost of an unlocked unit is $300 to $600 LESS than that of other devices with comparable specs, so mobile carriers should be able to offer the Moto G to the masses for hundreds of dollars less than any iPhone or high-end Android device by Samsung, LG, etc. Mobile carriers could of…

>Mobile carriers could offer the Moto G profitably at a negative price Doubt US carriers are going to let that happen, I haven't seen many negative prices except on feature phones. Only Tmobile seems to be willing to let the consumer take advantage of lower handset prices. Also, wonder how much Motorola makes(or loses) per Moto G at these prices. Anyway I hope the Moto G does better than the Moto X. Even with the mas…

> Also, wonder how much Motorola makes(or loses) per Moto G at these prices.

Motorola claims it doesn't sell them at a loss but hasn't said more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/14/technology/motorola-to-off...

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