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The American Who Designed the PlayStation 4 and Remade Sony

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Re: The American Who Designed the PlayStation 4 and Remade Sony

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Post by criley2 »

supergauntlet wrote: post #60
criley2 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, you'd spend $600-$650 to build a comparable computer. And that's not counting the fact that the PS4's software, both OS and games, are built for a single target. And that's assuming you'll get cheap peripherals and cheap case and stuff. And probably doesn't include the cost of a Windows license either. Specifically video cards don't start passing the PS4 until the $200 range, at least when comparing via syn…

Yeah, this is not true at all. You can get video cards that are better than the PS4's (by enough to counter any initial optimization, if not end-of-life optimization) for $150. Specifically, 7870 GHz editions.

Haha sorry buddy, the 7870 editions that beat the PS4 are $200. You're right that they are better than the PS4 GPU, but wrong on the price. The 7850's get down to $150, but they're also benchmarking lower than the PS4 in synthetic benchmarks.

Also, a $50 price difference doesn't invalidate my answer of $600-$650 --- in fact you'll notice that it lands exactly in my stated error range of $50.

EDIT: My bad, I found a super off-brand cheap bad-warranty version of the 7870 for $170.

But speaking from experience, don't buy a shit card from a shit company with a shit warranty.

Re: The American Who Designed the PlayStation 4 and Remade Sony

#102

Post by ScottWhigham »

robmcm wrote: post #99
ScottWhigham wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Says a guy who obviously doesn't have children and who also doesn't own console games :) I bought my kid the new Lego Batman II for PS3 in March for his birthday. We decided to upgrade to the PS4. He can't play this new game - that was recently released - on the PS4. It's a weird thing to not support backward compatibility IMO. It's a win for the developers/Sony but a loss for consumers. I have to now buy all new gam…

Firstly why are you getting rid of your PS3, secondly I have a 360, and a PS2 before that, PSX before etc etc I also have a XBone and PS4 pre ordered. I trade in all my old games as I never re-play them, if I do it's normally after such a long time that I can download them on my phone or run them emulated as I'm sure will eventlally be possible on the PS4. Supporting backwards compatibility could result in developers…

Again, "Says the guy who obviously doesn't have children" haha

Re: The American Who Designed the PlayStation 4 and Remade Sony

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Post by lucian1900 »

kayoone wrote: post #93
lucian1900 wrote: post #84

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They're more "different" than "weak" nowadays. Most tablets have way more memory and much better SIMD than a 360, with a (now) similarly powerful GPU, but with much lower bandwidth. While the end results don't look as good as on a 360 overall, some aspects do indeed look better. The one huge difference is the input method, which will always hold tablets back.

Thats true but my fact still stands that in terms of raw processing power for games they are still far off. I believe a Xbox360 manages around 10 GTexels/sec while the ipad Air is around 3 GTexels/sec. For comparision a modern desktop GPU is at about 50-80 GT/s which is where the new console generation is at as well. Same story for GFlops and most other relevant metrics..

But the tablets have much higher resolution and often no aliasing. It's not quite so clear-cut when comparing only the end-result.

Re: The American Who Designed the PlayStation 4 and Remade Sony

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Post by RogerL »

lelandbatey wrote: post #66
cromwellian wrote: post #56

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I highly doubt that assertion, it's a handwavy extrapolation. The current GPUs have significantly higher TDP, 3 years ago, state of the art GPUs had 3 Billion transistors and power consumption over 150W. The Playstation 3 is based on 2004 era (cut down G70 )chip designs, so you're talking mobile devices next year catching up with a chip that's almost ten years ago, based on a 90nm processor node. Today's PS4 will be…

Every single time I see someone say "Things in the future aren't going to see huge performance increases like that." I smile, because the beauty of the future is that we don't know. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe in ten years we'll all have crazy brain implants made possible by some new awesome technology, and we'll be watching pinar movies as these devices render them in real time. Probably not likely, but I'm not going to…

To be fair, the person made no assertions, they said "I highly doubt", and couched other limits in terms of thermodynamics. I'm pretty comfortable saying that thermodynamics is not going to change in a year; at least as comfortable as saying that the sun will rise in the East next year.

More importantly to my way of thinking, the parent to both your posts is talking about company strategy. You have to base future strategy on reasonable projections. Some projections are more likely than other, and you have an n-dimensional space of Gaussian and non-Gaussian probability distributions to optimize. Fortunately, most of the likely scenarios lie near a low dimensional manifold, and we can thus say things like a cell phone won't perform like today's Kepler without running at 200C (because thermodynamics). On a website we can smile knowingly and speculate about possible futures, but company directors need to be far more prosaic and pragmatic.

Re: The American Who Designed the PlayStation 4 and Remade Sony

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Post by robmcm »

ScottWhigham wrote: post #102
robmcm wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firstly why are you getting rid of your PS3, secondly I have a 360, and a PS2 before that, PSX before etc etc I also have a XBone and PS4 pre ordered. I trade in all my old games as I never re-play them, if I do it's normally after such a long time that I can download them on my phone or run them emulated as I'm sure will eventlally be possible on the PS4. Supporting backwards compatibility could result in developers…

Again, "Says the guy who obviously doesn't have children" haha

I don't see what difference that makes, you could get maybe $50 on ebay for a ps3 slimline.

Re: The American Who Designed the PlayStation 4 and Remade Sony

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Post by ScottWhigham »

ScottWhigham wrote: post #102
robmcm wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firstly why are you getting rid of your PS3, secondly I have a 360, and a PS2 before that, PSX before etc etc I also have a XBone and PS4 pre ordered. I trade in all my old games as I never re-play them, if I do it's normally after such a long time that I can download them on my phone or run them emulated as I'm sure will eventlally be possible on the PS4. Supporting backwards compatibility could result in developers…

Again, "Says the guy who obviously doesn't have children" haha

You don't see what difference it makes because you have no context. There are a lot of things I thought/did as a young man with no wife or children that I don't do today now that I have both. I can't tell whether you are being willfully dense (or "captious" as yesterday's word of the day taught us) or you just haven't taken the time to think from someone else's perspective.

Re: The American Who Designed the PlayStation 4 and Remade Sony

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Post by robmcm »

ScottWhigham wrote: post #106
ScottWhigham wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, "Says the guy who obviously doesn't have children" haha

You don't see what difference it makes because you have no context. There are a lot of things I thought/did as a young man with no wife or children that I don't do today now that I have both. I can't tell whether you are being willfully dense (or "captious" as yesterday's word of the day taught us) or you just haven't taken the time to think from someone else's perspective.

Try making a valid point rather than saying I'm not considering your point of view.

Or I could just say, "Says a man who's insecure" or some other vague and assumed statement.

Re: The American Who Designed the PlayStation 4 and Remade Sony

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Post by cylinder »

ScottWhigham wrote: post #97
robmcm wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get this desire for backwards compatibility. Why would you want to play a really old game on a shiny new console? If you really did, then pick up a used ps3 or 360 for about £50 and get the PS4 later!

Says a guy who obviously doesn't have children and who also doesn't own console games :) I bought my kid the new Lego Batman II for PS3 in March for his birthday. We decided to upgrade to the PS4. He can't play this new game - that was recently released - on the PS4. It's a weird thing to not support backward compatibility IMO. It's a win for the developers/Sony but a loss for consumers. I have to now buy all new gam…

Why get rid of them? I wish I still I had my NES and SNES from childhood. Even if I couldn't play them, I'd love to just see them, for the memories and nostalgia.
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