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Re: TWTR

#101
All in all, looks like a reasonable IPO. Some delays. Basically trading 45-46, I could see it dropping off some tomorrow.

Mostly I think we'll see shares/profits of SF oriented luxury good companies go up, and possibly a rise in SFBA housing prices.

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#102
post #82

Can someone with more clue please tell me that the following cynical thought I keep having is wrong and laughably misinformed (and then explain why)? Twitter's investors (who have plowed hundreds of millions in to a loss making company) decide to sell some of their stock at $26/share (after consulting with banks to arrive at this price). This will make right the losses they've experienced so far and pass the problem…

Well... I can't see a fault in your logic.

Maybe you remember the dot-com boom in 1999? It looked somehow similar.

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#103
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because its pre-opening (IPO) price was $26. So for everyone who got shares before the public trading, their stocks are way up. (This is also why people are saying that the IPO price was set way too low; insiders make tons of money but Twitter itself raises much less money.)

Is there any way for the lay man to get in on an IPO like this, or is it purely for insiders? (I'm thinking about the next one...)

Actually, if you have an account at various retail brokers such as Schwab and Ameritrade, they have a trade IPO capability. For run-of-the-mill IPOs, it isn't a big deal and retail investors can get an allocation. For high-profile ones such as this one, you'll have to be an account holder with lots of money under their management and generate a lot of revenue for them to get preference in the allocation process.

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#104

If it stays at $46, that's a gigantic fuck up. They left a billion dollars on the table, and that's borderline breach of fiduciary duty. Of course, we have to wait and see what it settles at, and it's a little premature to heap scorn just yet. But the initial reaction is it looks like they overreacted to the Facebook IPO debacle (in my book, Facebook did the best thing possible for the company and extracted as much v…

> borderline breach of fiduciary duty.

Fiduciary duty to who? The shareholders that cashed in today are the same ones who are behind the IPO. You're trying to make it seem like some poor distant shareholder got screwed over, which is not true.

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#105
post #82

Can someone with more clue please tell me that the following cynical thought I keep having is wrong and laughably misinformed (and then explain why)? Twitter's investors (who have plowed hundreds of millions in to a loss making company) decide to sell some of their stock at $26/share (after consulting with banks to arrive at this price). This will make right the losses they've experienced so far and pass the problem…

The market still has to be willing to buy at $40+ which they evidently are. They do this expecting to sell down the line for even more.

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#106
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike Facebook, none of Twitters employees and VC's are selling, so no internal pressure to grab every last dollar.

There was an employee lockup of Facebook stock, if I remember correctly, so Facebook employees were not selling. Please correct me if I misunderstood something.

Interesting; how is it that employees are able to trade right after the IPO? I thought there was a waiting period for insiders.

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#107
post #82

Can someone with more clue please tell me that the following cynical thought I keep having is wrong and laughably misinformed (and then explain why)? Twitter's investors (who have plowed hundreds of millions in to a loss making company) decide to sell some of their stock at $26/share (after consulting with banks to arrive at this price). This will make right the losses they've experienced so far and pass the problem…

I think you accurately described the Greater Fool and the nature of this tech IPO climate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory

How else could companies with no revenue go public?

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#108
post #82

Can someone with more clue please tell me that the following cynical thought I keep having is wrong and laughably misinformed (and then explain why)? Twitter's investors (who have plowed hundreds of millions in to a loss making company) decide to sell some of their stock at $26/share (after consulting with banks to arrive at this price). This will make right the losses they've experienced so far and pass the problem…

Sometimes it is just the public taking the fall. In this case, the loss making company has been growing revenues 100% a year so there is a chance joe public will end up doing ok. Even with the disaster that was the Facebook IPO, if you held for a little over a year you'd be up nicely.

Also joe public isn't really joe public. Joe public is hedge funds and pension funds controlled by professionals. Your 401k or pension might have some twitter, but in that case it was a professional making the call. Regular twitter users aren't bidding the stock up. They make up a small part of overall trading activity.

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#109
post #38

Can someone advise what's the best way to buy derivatives (etrade,scottstrade, etc): the fastest way to open an account, the best order execution times? I want to invest some money to short this.

You can always short the stock, but that is quite risky as your maximum downside is theoretically infinite (the stock can always go up). A bearish options strategy[1] can at least define your risk. Thinkorswim[2] options platform is my favorite, they were acquired by TD Ameritrade a while ago, but the thinkorswim platform is still independent from the larger TD Ameritrade system. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opti…

Theoretically. In practice you're going to get margin called and locked into a loss of approximately 100%.

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#110
post #82

Can someone with more clue please tell me that the following cynical thought I keep having is wrong and laughably misinformed (and then explain why)? Twitter's investors (who have plowed hundreds of millions in to a loss making company) decide to sell some of their stock at $26/share (after consulting with banks to arrive at this price). This will make right the losses they've experienced so far and pass the problem…

I would say generally the market recently in IPOs has been losing the banks money, so you're at least wrong there. I do wish the public had a chance to invest in rapidly growing things like Twitter earlier - let's say 2010.
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