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The End of Coding

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Re: The End of Coding

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Post by codygman »

ilaksh wrote: post #55

I know that everyone will disagree, but for the most part, programmers shouldn't be writing code either. There are a lot of good tools out there. The problem is that programming by definition is writing code. And tools that don't involve code are for non-programmers. The problem is the definition of programming. And the fact that people are afraid they won't be considered a 'real' programmer if they don't write crypt…

What are some of these good tools you are talking about that make it no longer necessary to write "cryptic" code?

Re: The End of Coding

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Post by bluesnowmonkey »

resu_nimda wrote: post #52
bluesnowmonkey wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good thing you talked your friend down from creating something. The world has too many creators as it is. Don't they know that everything good has been created already? If it hasn't been done then it isn't possible!

Did you have a point here? Do you think he should have just said "sure man, sounds great, go for it!" Did you know that a lot of non-programmers have a lot of great ideas, and that educating them about the difficulties of implementing those ideas isn't actually a bad thing? The particular app in question has been tried a million times and countless hours have been invested into it, perhaps learning from that body of…

Yes! Those exact words. "Sure man, sounds great, go for it!"

General rule of thumb, if your friend wants to achieve something, help them do it. Don't sit there telling them why they're going to fail. It almost doesn't matter what it is. They want to start a business, be a brain surgeon, jump the grand canyon on a motorcycle, whatever, believe in them and help them succeed. If you don't believe in them, what kind of friend are you really?

I do believe that there is an amazing HTML/CSS design tool waiting to be created. I don't know what it is, and I don't know if that guy would have been the one to create it, but I love to see people try. He probably would have learned a lot even if he failed.

That negative attitude just really gets my goat in real life. There's one guy at work on whom I can count to shit all over any idea I bring him. There's another guy who always gets excited about trying new things. Guess which one I would happily give a recommendation, and which one I wouldn't care if he fell out a third story window?

Re: The End of Coding

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

ilaksh wrote: post #55

I know that everyone will disagree, but for the most part, programmers shouldn't be writing code either. There are a lot of good tools out there. The problem is that programming by definition is writing code. And tools that don't involve code are for non-programmers. The problem is the definition of programming. And the fact that people are afraid they won't be considered a 'real' programmer if they don't write crypt…

This is so ethereal. What do you really mean by this? What is it that programmers have to figure out? That they have been bad boys and girls using cryptic code? ...

Ok go make video editing package without any of ths "coding" nonsense and then explain it to us childish programmers. :)

No but seriously I don't think there is a lot here ...

Re: The End of Coding

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

normloman wrote: post #56

Regular people have a hard enough time doing every day tasks on the computer with GUIs. If we can't make regular work easy, how the hell do you expect to make programming easy?

Regular people have a hard enough time doing every day tasks. Full stop.

Re: The End of Coding

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

This is hand waving month or something. Oh this just so cute but honestly when you are ready to be serious and deal with complex things and not GUI for "Grandma" then you will see this is little more than a vague performance of day dreaming. The only way for the to come to fruition some sort of strong AI, even then ... Show some non trivial examples, not this HTML GUI stuff.

Re: The End of Coding

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Post by thatthatis »

Zigurd wrote: post #40

I was about to respond to his claims by pointing out that spreadsheets are a gateway drug for coding and that everyone who tries to do things without coding ends up coding. Code is remarkably universal. The article claims spreadsheets are an example of a post-coding tool, but they, and his other examples, really aren't. Notably, "visual programming" has been a failure. I expect the end of coding to be presaged by thi…

Anybody who says spreadsheets aren't coding hasn't written a bank valuation model.

Though I agree, they were my gateway drug to programming.

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