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Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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Post by teddyh »

clarry wrote: post #100
teddyh wrote: post #95

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> My problem with info is the document structure. The manual for each application seems to be structured so differently with topics under specific titles and subtitles, I always get lost and it takes me a while to find the thing I'm looking for. Use the index – it’s what it’s there for. In the usual Info readers, it’s the “i” key. This is what I use when, for instance, reading the GNU C Library manual and wanting the…

The index is the problem. The index for each application and library looks different. There are headings and subheadings and subheadings.. sometimes they're descriptive enough to help you find what you need, but in my experience, they often are not. But in either case you still need to read through them and interpret them. And reading through tens of headings is a pain, especially if after reading them you navigate t…

I think you misunderstood me; the Index is not the table of contents or the list of headings. The index is what you access with the “i” key, and can also be read directly using the “g” key to go directly to the “Index” node.

I agree, reading headings and navigating that way is mostly a waste of time when trying to find something specific. Which is why I never do it; I use the Index.

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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Post by GalacticDomin8r »

itwontdie wrote: post #70
dman wrote: post #19

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Are they much different than the freebsd docs?

From my experience FreeBSD documentation is often outdated and no longer applicable. In my opinion incorrect documentation is worse than having no information as it often causes more problems and frustration.

> From my experience FreeBSD documentation is often outdated and no longer applicable

You were using an open source project and as such feedback is critical. Can you list the bug report you filed on the problems?

> In my opinion incorrect documentation is worse than having no information as it often causes more problems and frustration.

That is your opinion of course. IMO experience, having outdated docs is much better than having none at all.

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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Post by [deleted] »

aortega wrote: post #36
pimeys wrote: post #34

I'm a big OS geek, I love to install and test all new operating systems. Does anybody use OpenBSD as their main development OS? At least there's ports, and looks like you can compile all the necessary tools (xmonad, vim, firefox, zsh) from the ports system. But is this the ideal use of OpenBSD? Do I gain something if changing from Gentoo?

I used it for a while as a desktop. Maybe it's because I have an old Thinkpad, and I know OpenBSD is being developed mainly in old Thinkpads, but everything works just a little better in OpenBSD. The video, sleep/resume, power, wifi, etc. Everything just works a bit faster, a bit cleaner. It's like FreeBSD but without feeling that a script kiddie will remotely crash or pwn your box. If you limit yourself to the packa…

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Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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Post by cmccabe »

sarnowski wrote: post #77
cmccabe wrote: post #58

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If I want an introduction to complex topic, I usually won't use man pages. I will open up a web browser and search. That will give me web pages that have pictures, diagrams, and possibly even introductory essays about the topic. There are many more people who know how to write web pages or forum posts than who know how to write "info" pages. There are also great tools for searching the web, but poor tools for search…

This is true for me too as long as I don't use OpenBSD. The cause is that GNU/Linux manpages are horrible. They are mostly outdated and not in sync with the versions that are actually installed. As soon as you log in to your newly installed OpenBSD system, your root account has a mail in her mailbox stating to read the "afterboot" manpage. When I first time entered "man afterboot" in my shell, I was blown away. http:…

Yeah. One thing that some people seem to miss is that you can have multiple man pages for a topic-- perhaps one that lays out the general outlines, and one for more specific information.

git does this: it has "man gittutorial" and "gitcvs-migration", as well as man pages for each command. It makes a lot of sense and avoids the "giant wall of irrelevant text" approach.

Bash, on the other hand... yeah. Just try finding anything in there.

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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Post by wglb »

abjr wrote: post #91
brunoqc wrote: post #57

What is the best hardware for a home router? Soekris was very popular in the past but I'm wondering that maybe there's cool hardware out there. I also wonder if carpd is usable with a DHCP connection.

I'm not sure you'd consider it "cool", but I've been using one of these for the past 5 months with OpenBSD 5.3 with no issues: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856205...

Your use is mainly as a router?

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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Post by abjr »

wglb wrote: post #105
abjr wrote: post #91

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I'm not sure you'd consider it "cool", but I've been using one of these for the past 5 months with OpenBSD 5.3 with no issues: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856205...

Your use is mainly as a router?

Yes. I basically just use it for router/firewall with pf.
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