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problem with audio is delay. even all analog you already had delays (granted some of the analogs are acumulators so...) but all the formats you see in audio are just lots of people, all with differents ideas of trade offs for delay and easy of use. you are on the far right... so do not invent a new one and use what we already have there, which is optical i think.
Modern (wired) LANs have < 1ms round-trip latency. Is that still too slow?
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
problem with audio is delay. even all analog you already had delays (granted some of the analogs are acumulators so...) but all the formats you see in audio are just lots of people, all with differents ideas of trade offs for delay and easy of use. you are on the far right... so do not invent a new one and use what we already have there, which is optical i think.
I've talked with an electrical engineer who works for QSC on the part of their business that deals with large, coordinated installations. They run huge, theme park-sized systems over COTS networking gear (read: Ethernet) with audio synced within hundreds of nanoseconds at locations hundreds of meters apart. It's doable, but you're not going to see it in normal consumer hardware.
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#103This seems like a reinvention of Coraid's ATAoE, which has the added benefit of already being in the mainline kernel, good server/target support (vblade), hardware products shipping now, a lack of IP/TCP overhead, and a dead-simple protocol. http://aoetools.sourceforge.net/
ATAoE was- to my knowledge- never integrated into a drive controller.
Since the attachment for an AOE drive is Ethernet, the drive controller is just an Ethernet NIC...
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, for example you could also run IP on DOCSIS, which is typically employed by cable modems. Or you could run it on an 802.15.4 stack, using 6LoWPAN (in the RF world, and lately also narrowband PLC such as G3). Remember that IP is layer 3 in the OSI model, and you could run it on top of other layer 2 implementations than Ethernet.
I perhaps should have been more clear, I know this. What I meant does this protocol require ethernet? which seems unlikely.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
ATAoE was- to my knowledge- never integrated into a drive controller.
I don't understand what this means; can you elaborate? Since the attachment for an AOE drive is Ethernet, the drive controller is just an Ethernet NIC...
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#106Were going to have to have a low profile Ethernet connect then aren't we. If this takes over there's no way that plug can get put on our ever shrinking devices.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
If people have 6A and you use a large amount more power. For an application like a hard drive the power consumption of the ethernet connection would be more than the rest of the system probably.
So use twinax.
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#1082) Various posts pooh-pooh'ing this development (including the current top post) here are committing the classic mistake described in that book made by incumbents which leads to disruption by new entrants to the market.
3) Seagate is doing something right. It doesn't guarantee that they'll win the next phase of the storage battle but they are doing something radically different which has a plausible marketing story appealing to a large base.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm wondering if 10G really will become economical any time soon (for consumer products). It's been around a long time now, much longer than 1Gb was around until it started becoming consumer products. 10Gb still uses quite a lot of power, and consumer demand is virtually absent since the 10x speed we got from 100Mb to 1Gb has been "fast enough" for home users, and will be for many years.
Well, technically you can now get into 10Gb for around $150 per port. http://www.amazon.com/Netgear-12-Port-ProSafe-Gigabit-Switch...
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#110"Über alles" will be primarily associated with Hitler's anthem of the Third Reich by most native speakers of German who know some history. Not a good choice for a title.
Since the article was written in English, for an English speaking audience, who consider generally "über alles" to not be particularly offensive anymore (it has come to mean something like "all conquering"). I don't think it was a poor choice of title at all, especially since it sums up the tone of his article. It's quite unfortunate that the far-right in Germany has since appropriated the phrase, but it's been appro…
I'm an English speaker from the American midwest and I still think of it as an (I always assumed ironic) reference to Nazi supremacism when I see it. I'm not offended by it but it always struck me as a strange joke. "This thing is so great it's Nazi great!" Fantastic.
It's interesting to me that that's not the intent. It's a reference to the phrase "Deutschland Over Everything Else," which is either a Nazi thing or a merely German nationalist thing, depending on the context and intent. I can see why a German person might want to "take it back" and make it not mean something fascist, but why would anyone outside of that context even bother?
> Censoring people
Konstruktor was pointing out a flaw, rightly or wrongly, but not censoring. He doesn't have that power here.