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I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Well, most art critics don't take Banksy seriously, so I wouldn't count on him having a place in the history books any more than a novelty musician like Weird Al, for example. In fact that comparison makes Banksy sound more important than he is. David Blaine, maybe? http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/20...

It’s funny he contrasted Banksy with Pollack. I’ve always thought of Pollack (and many other modern artists) as a sort of charming guy who figured out that the art industry is a weird product of status games and so decided to create positional goods with the least amount of effort possible.

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Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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It’s funny he contrasted Banksy with Pollack. I’ve always thought of Pollack (and many other modern artists) as a sort of charming guy who figured out that the art industry is a weird product of status games and so decided to create positional goods with the least amount of effort possible.

Seriously? This is like saying "poets are just lazy writers who decided to create work with the least amount of effort possible."

Notice the performance in the following description of Pollock at work:

>A dripping wet canvas covered the entire floor … There was complete silence … Pollock looked at the painting. Then, unexpectedly, he picked up can and paint brush and started to move around the canvas. It was as if he suddenly realized the painting was not finished. His movements, slow at first, gradually became faster and more dance like as he flung black, white, and rust colored paint onto the canvas. He completely forgot that Lee and I were there; he did not seem to hear the click of the camera shutter … My photography session lasted as long as he kept painting, perhaps half an hour. In all that time, Pollock did not stop. How could one keep up this level of activity? Finally, he said 'This is it.'

In many ways it mirrors the accounts of psychics or other frauds, many of whom are self-deluded and thus not frauds in the common sense. The lone genius, the strange process, the way the world falls away while he's at work, a flaw no one but the guru can keen - these are the type of things we seem to be wired adore. So we should be suspicious of any new tastes we acquire while exposed to them.

Once his work became popular, they became positional goods, like yachts or a diamonds, so we should be doubly suspicious of the tastes of those who paid for it.

Take a random person, get him or her to drip paint onto a canvas however they see fit. Create many paintings every day, save the ones that seem, by hap, to be the most pretty. I contend critics and buyers alike would not be able to reliably distinguish between the works of Pollack and the works of the random person. He created a new style of painting - one that happens to require no skill. I have no idea if he bought his own shtick, but I like the idea that he didn't.

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Your language exhibits a bias that says: a) Banksy is a culture hacker b) Banksy is outside mainstream culture c) Banksy is a successful hacker. All of that is arguable, but one thing we can say for sure is Banksy is interesting because people are interested in Banksy - famous for being famous like Paris Hilton.

I assert A, B, and C, yes. Banksy managed to simultaneously profit from, and socially comment globally using, a street medium. Paris Hilton was born with the looks and means needed to make connections and she worked from that, gaining notoriety through her lack of inhibition. I can see the comparison in that their trajectories were both unconventional to some degree, but beyond that, not much simularity. If you haven…

I watched it. I found an article that expressed my feelings by googling the words 'culture consuming itself in an ironic singularity' [1] but this article is an equal part of the singularity. "Exit Through the Gift Shop" plays well as a mockumentary by an art collective. The whole thing feels like a long troll, which is kind of interesting, but I felt Netochka Nezvanova [2] was pretty interesting at the time and now, not so much.

[1] http://jamesonstarship.com/2013/05/15/thats-all-folks-buzzfe...

[2] http://www.salon.com/2002/03/01/netochka/

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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> I'm curious to know when a person transitions from vandal to artist. When they start asking for permission before painting other people's stuff.

That's a bit stuffy. I'd be honored to have Banksy paint my stuff without permission.

By saying that you are giving him permission.

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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The whole "high-art = big money" mindset is what ruins everything. Just let it be. It's an image that people enjoy looking at, and it's right there for everyone to see - touchable, fragile, transient. Giving it a monetary value defeats the whole purpose of it. It's not meant to be preserved, it's just a curio that livens up the outdoor scene. Stop valuing it so much - it's meant to be weathered and destroyed. Enjoy t…

Just let it be.

How will you paying [your mortgage, baby's diapers...groceries] this time Mr Johnson? With "let it be." Your advice sounds nice, if you have money.

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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I assert A, B, and C, yes. Banksy managed to simultaneously profit from, and socially comment globally using, a street medium. Paris Hilton was born with the looks and means needed to make connections and she worked from that, gaining notoriety through her lack of inhibition. I can see the comparison in that their trajectories were both unconventional to some degree, but beyond that, not much simularity. If you haven…

Another really good one to watch is "Bomb It" on Netflix/iTunes. The sequel is out soon.

I haven't finished it, but I like this a lot better because it's authentic street art from the people who grew up in those locales. The Banksy collective on the other hand has a lot of money behind it and feels more like rich people appropriating street art.

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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If the mayor was serious about catching Banksy then he would go to the phone companies and get all of the phones that were within a 200 metre radius on the night that the artwork went up for each and every piece. Then he could put them in a database, get his 'SQL for Dummies' book out and select just the phone records that are common to all incidents. He can then go back to the phone companies and get the billing det…

as someone who in her time did millions in "damage" to the rail network your average writer has decent opsec besides the fact they almost all use burner phones on a day to day basis. they wont take phones with them on missions. last thing you want is your phone to ring when your hiding from the transit police. (what banksy opsec is like IDK ) also stencils are for people that cant actually paint.

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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In most cases Banksy doesn't ask for permission.

Exactly, which is why Bloomberg considers Banksy a vandal.

Yet he's widely considered an artist.

In an CS proofs class, that would be considered a "proof by contradiction".

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Exactly, which is why Bloomberg considers Banksy a vandal.

Yet he's widely considered an artist. In an CS proofs class, that would be considered a "proof by contradiction".

Only if you assume that vandalism and art are mutually exclusive.

I must say, I quite love this seeming (or maybe it’s real?) contradiction. There are no absolutes. That’s what makes Banksy’s work so cool.

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