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'Tor Stinks' presentation – read the full document

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#102
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post #11

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"Terrorist" -- as everyone knew it would become -- is now shorthand for anyone undesirable or anyone targeted for any reason.

It's the new red scare, the new Soviet. We American's require a boogeyman. In all fairness, most countries do. Watching South American leaders lately shows the exact same behavior. Find a foreign devil for everyone to rally against to hide domestic issues.

"If the Devil didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent him."

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#103

After reading many of these articles about the NSA I keep wondering if they have an office specifically tasked with thinking up code names for these projects. I personally would find it difficult to keep them all straight—this article, for example, contained a new one to me: ONIONBREATH. Just an odd image in my mind of a group of top-security clearance, extremely well trained, able-minded people who think up silly co…

TOR - The Onion Router.

Would be a hell of a co-incidence if it wasn't a reference.

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#104
From the Schneier article:

"The good news is they [NSA] went for a browser exploit..." - Roger Dingledine, President of Tor project

It seems there are assumptions among parties that employ "browser exploits" against unsuspecting users that the persons targeted will be using "modern", complex, Javascript-enabled, graphical browsers, and that they'll use these browsers to retrieve content from the network and to view that content on machines with writeable permanent storage that can connect to the network. Am I misreading all these tales of browser exploitation?

Can these parties accomodate reboots from read-only media, text-only browsers, write-protected storage and offline viewing of content?

Maybe the problem isn't so much with Tor as with with the popular browsers and their gratuitous complexity.

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#105
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General conclusion from all of the published leaks is that GCHQ punches (in technical capability and general quality of work) way above its weight class (funding and presumed staffing levels); they also seem much more willing than NSA to be completely unbound by any idea of domestic user privacy. Which is fitting for a country with the number of CCTV cameras they have.

Although, in effect I think you are right about GCHQ, that whole CCTV thing is pretty much a myth founded in a deeply flawed study focussed on a street in Central London. 90% of CCTV is privately owned, and if you step out of the metropolis CCTV is no more abundant than anywhere else. I suggest you stop using that argument with regard to the UK as it undermines your absolutely valid post.

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#106
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Page 5: "Terrorist with Tor client installed" And its a picture of a guy with a bandit mask and an AK-47. I don't know about you guys, but all my Tor activities are performed in my Halloween costume! I honestly can't believe something this tacky would end up in a presentation. Is this supposed to be propaganda?

and a beard... like terrorists can be stereotyped like that. This is more than just propaganda, this is the mentality of the type of people who put these presentations together. That fact that whoever wrote this presentation has profiled people like this. I would wager that 99% of online "terrorists" are sitting around in jeans and t-shirts, on safe soil, have probably never handled a gun, let alone an AK-47 (or what…

It's clearly intended as a joke. It's a slideshow shown to people with technological backgrounds. Most people in computer-based work have seen poorly selected stock photos like these to depict hackers/terrorists/whatever.

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#107

This is a glorious release. I'm suspecting we have Schneier to thank for the full release of the slideshow that is mostly unredacted.

if you follow ioerror and ggreenwald on twitter you probably have some idea of what forced this particular cache of articles.

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#108
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Yes, I would. You probably know less than you think you do about what the people running HN are doing/trying to do.

Seems you knew about the the YC company-related submissions being boosted. What makes you think nothing strange is happening to any other submissions?

>YC company-related submissions being boosted //

I missed the disclosure on this one, is it in the FAQ or somewhere else?

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#109
post #94

Given that it says that the NSA and the GCHQ is trying to setup tor nodes.. is it possible for us to identify these nodes? Some sort of trust network perhaps?

The document is dated 20070108, seems they'd be a lot further on with Tor now. Also they mention using AWS to set up Tor nodes.

Was interested in the user profiling to establish from raw network traffic which users are likely using Tor - so for example from this message.

Not sure what QFP is though?

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#110
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and a beard... like terrorists can be stereotyped like that. This is more than just propaganda, this is the mentality of the type of people who put these presentations together. That fact that whoever wrote this presentation has profiled people like this. I would wager that 99% of online "terrorists" are sitting around in jeans and t-shirts, on safe soil, have probably never handled a gun, let alone an AK-47 (or what…

And banks don't actually keep money in big cloth bags with dollar signs on them. It's just clip art, and to say that it speaks to the mindset of a type of people you probably don't really know much about. I would hasten to say that your stereotypes are probably no more grounded in reality than those of the straw men your attacking. >"If you look at the world around us and review the history of terrorism, most of it's…

No, it requires the United States' own definition of terrorism to be applied to the US.

Drone strikes in Pakistan alone have killed thousands of civilians.

Many of the opposition groups you mentioned were backed by the US knowing that they committed and intended to commit terrorism and other war crimes.

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