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Re: 1Password 4 for Mac is here

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As long as by one-way-hash you actually mean "key derivation function" and not actually hash, otherwise one leaked password means I get your master password, and hence all of your passwords, as long as your master password has an impossibly huge amount of entropy. (It probably doesn't.) Seriously, use cryptographically random passwords.

SuperGenPass uses MD5 or SHA512 (so they do use hashes). Personally, I use bcrypt with a cryptographically random and long master password, which is something at least. I appreciate the input and advice anyway. Security being a system of compromises, my current stance is that the security offered by a system like this, despite its flaws, is greater than a password database system (with truly random passwords) because…

I didn't say anything about any particular system. Using MD5 or SHA-512 doesn't have to be bad per se -- using them once is bad.

Also, you mention having to keep it physically secure. I don't think that's true; you can use anything you want to encrypt it, from passwords to smart cards to whatever.

You mention you have a long and cryptographically random password. I'm guessing (hoping?) that it consists of a bunch of words that are easier to remember, since humans are pretty bad at remembering things with sufficient entropy to count, particularly if they come in the form of unintelligible junk :)

Re: 1Password 4 for Mac is here

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Personally, I see no compelling reason to upgrade. V3 works fine for me, and 99% of the time I'm just using the browser plug-in anyways, not the main app. It's also a bit disappointing that I had to buy direct to get cross-platform support, which is the reason I chose 1Password, but then that means I have to pay for this upgrade. If I had paid them half the price via the Mac App Store, minus Apple's 30% no less, I wo…

AgileBits Support here. Sorry to hear you feel it isn't worth the upgrade. I'd suggest trying the demo at least to see if there's anything there worth using. Personally, the new browser extension is amazing and I have a hard time going back to help users in support :) You didn't have to buy direct to get cross platform support. We offer coupons to users who purchase on the Mac App Store and want to buy our Windows ap…

>You didn't have to buy direct to get cross platform support.

My only suggestion is that you might want to document this somewhere, because I had no idea this was an option at the time I purchased in July 2012, and still don't see it on the store web pages.

Re: 1Password 4 for Mac is here

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Maybe they can make a decent Android version one of these days. If they had a good Android version, I'd update to v4 for OSX in a heartbeat. I own an OSX license for v3, a Windows license for v3 (or whatever its at right now), and iOS licenses for iPad and iPhone - even though I don't have an iPhone or iPad anymore. I have a big investment in this program, but their slipshod Android version has me re-evaluating this…

Doesn't the android version sync with the others using dropbox? It says so here: https://agilebits.com/onepassword/android

I think my message was a bit confused there. I have all of my versions of 1password - OSX, Windows, and Android - syncing together on dropbox. I was anticipating that someone would recommend LastPass as an alternative that can be used on multiple devices. The point that I was making was that I trust the security surrounding my dropbox more than I trust LastPass's security - although I don't really know whether that's reasonable/rational.

Re: 1Password 4 for Mac is here

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AgileBits Support here. Sorry to hear you feel it isn't worth the upgrade. I'd suggest trying the demo at least to see if there's anything there worth using. Personally, the new browser extension is amazing and I have a hard time going back to help users in support :) You didn't have to buy direct to get cross platform support. We offer coupons to users who purchase on the Mac App Store and want to buy our Windows ap…

>You didn't have to buy direct to get cross platform support. My only suggestion is that you might want to document this somewhere, because I had no idea this was an option at the time I purchased in July 2012, and still don't see it on the store web pages.

You're right, we don't have it anywhere anymore. We did have it when we were using another support system that had a built in KB. Sadly that didn't work out for us and I think that article disappeared along with the tool.

I'll put this on my todo list to see if we can get it handled soon.

That said, if you email us support at company url, maybe I can make it up to you in some way or another. Just mention my name and remind me of this discussion.

Re: 1Password 4 for Mac is here

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Yup, it's been there for a long time. For at least as long as I've been a user. We had trouble with 1Password 3 and non-US keyboards, but the new app should be MUCH better at handling non-US keyboard layouts. So change that shortcut however you see fit :) I just can't promise a t-shirt for your chosen replacement of the shortcut (see our blog.agilebits.com header for this one). Kyle AgileBits Support

Your t-shirts look great! I don't expect a t-shirt from you but maybe you could provide a template?

We do sell the command+\ shirts :)

https://www.merchline.com/agilebits/category.6106.c.php

They're "at cost" so we're not making money on the shirts but our users really loved them so we found a way to at least make them available at a reasonable price.

Kyle

AgileBits Support

Re: 1Password 4 for Mac is here

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Do be very careful designing your own system. Our own security expert has written a blog post talking about the pitfalls: http://blog.agilebits.com/2012/11/08/dont-trust-a-password-m... I suspect you'll find that at least somewhat useful :) Kyle AgileBits Support

It's very kind of you to respond! I would certainly never trust it to share with someone else :) but I'm perfectly happy to accept the risk myself. But it's not just me using a system like this. Everyone using SuperGenPass is using something similar too. That's why I think it's important to talk about it more.

My pleasure :)

I find it all very interesting so I try to learn where I can, but I leave the security stuff to our resident Chief Defender Against the Dark Arts (Jeff in the blog post). He's the guy who understands all of the security implications. He talks and I listen and try to absorb everything I can.

I figured that article was at least worth mentioning here.

Kyle

AgileBits Support

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