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Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]

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Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]

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Post by scorpion032 »

enraged_camel wrote: post #95
derefr wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather than picking one over the other, I would say that it would have been best if Jobs had had a little more Woz in him (to appreciate the tech more), Woz had had a little more Jobs (to sell himself more), and they had continued to work together. Apple would be an even bigger player than it is today, I think.

I disagree. What made them an amazing pair is that they complimented each other perfectly. Character and skill are zero-sum: if Jobs had a little more Woz in him, he would have to be a little less Jobs. And vice versa. The result would be a more inferior Apple. It's better to have one person who is Level 100 at skill A and another who is Level 100 at skill B, than 75/25 and 25/75. "Well-rounded" is another term for "…

A "polymath" is a person whose expertise spans a significant number of different subject areas.

Greeks celebrated such great thinkers. Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Galileo Galilei, Nicolaus Copernicus, Francis Bacon and Michael Servetus were all amazing polymaths. - They had expertise in Math, Engineering, Philosophy, Art, Finance. (Perhaps not marketing because such a thing didn't exist back then.)

There have been such multi disciplinary experts in the world and I'm sure there continue to be. But they are rare and often found pursuing interest in one of the areas.

If you can understand tech there is no reason you cannot understand sales and vice versa. - In fact being blind to an alternative point of view isn't even a feature of a man of class. And if you can understand it, why can't you think the same way.

Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]

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Post by jkuria »

MBCook wrote: post #12

The woman doing the interview really seems to do a poor job. She seems to let Wozniak get about 80-90% into statements and then speedily talk over him to move onto the next point. It doesn't sound like she's actually listening to his answers, just going down her checklist. At one point he explains why he liked Sorkin's approach better than Kutcher's, then she asked a later question as if he had never said that. It's…

I completely agree and I had to come back here to express my disgust. She is really irritating me the way she cuts him off with comments that show she isn't listening (or she is too stupid to understand what he is saying). Example: He says Steve Jobs initially was visionary but not good at executing. But when he came back he had improved at execution and had the maturity to run things. She retorts "was he visionary?"

She also talks down at him and acts like she is more important than him.

Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

stiff wrote: post #100
oblique63 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While this stance sounds nice, it doesn't actually make much sense in reality. It appeals to our cultural want for 'justice'/'fairness'/'equality', but it doesn't quite pan out once you look at the general picture of skill acquisition. If a person learned to become exceptionally 'talented' in one area, then he/she's more likely to replicate that same level success in a completely new area, than someone who hasn't gai…

Without references your comment is worthless.

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Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]

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Post by JacobSkyler »

sethbannon wrote: post #67

Every time I see a Woz interview I'm struck by what a genuinely good guy he seems to be.

I love that he can talk so comfortably about the strengths and weaknesses of himself and others.

A lot of people are uncomfortable talking plainly about their own importance or about other people's failings. And then you get the odd megalomaniac who's the opposite. It's refreshing to see someone who's comfortable talking about people honestly.

Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]

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Post by baby »

dsuth wrote: post #41
baby wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trailer for the social network was amazing and people were anticipating the movie. I don't think anyone wanted to watch Jobs after seeing the trailer.

Often, anticipation is what ruins a movie. All of the best movies I've seen (The Matrix, Fifth Element spring to mind) had such obtuse trailers that I had no idea what was going on before I got in there.

yup. But I'm more talking about judging a movie from its Trailer. I can often have a good intuition about the movie just from the Trailer.

Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]

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Post by oblique63 »

stiff wrote: post #100
oblique63 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While this stance sounds nice, it doesn't actually make much sense in reality. It appeals to our cultural want for 'justice'/'fairness'/'equality', but it doesn't quite pan out once you look at the general picture of skill acquisition. If a person learned to become exceptionally 'talented' in one area, then he/she's more likely to replicate that same level success in a completely new area, than someone who hasn't gai…

Without references your comment is worthless.

No, worth can be drawn simply by applying the model I outlined above. References may add more worth if you're looking for verification (which I don't blame), but it's also a daunting task to compile such lists. Your comment on the other hand, could've just asked me for sources and that would've been productive, but instead you chose to just dismiss the entire argument cynically with a single statement; that literally doesn't add any value for anybody. I wish downvotes would be justified more deeply than this.

However, since it is useful, here are some resources to begin learning about what intelligence and cognitive research have to say about the matter:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Talent-Code-Greatness-Grown/dp/055...

http://www.amazon.com/The-Genius-All-Us-Insights/dp/03073873...

http://healthland.time.com/2012/12/26/motivation-not-iq-matt...

http://www.cogmed.com/impact-working-memory-training-young-p...

http://www.cogmed.com/working-memory-but-not-iq-predicts-sub...

http://www.cogmed.com/working-memory-training-generalize-imp...

http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~antonvillado/courses/09a_psyc630...

http://reports-archive.adm.cs.cmu.edu/anon/ml2009/CMU-ML-09-...

http://jabba.edb.utexas.edu/it/enhancingCognitiveSkill.pdf

There are plenty more resources out there, and I'm sure there are much better ones too. But the implication of all this is that learning is a skill, and that you can learn how to learn better. We may not yet thoroughly understand how generalized learning takes place in the brain, but it does seem to be a function of working memory and motivation, which can be improved. Generalized learning is segmented more finely than how I described it originally, but it still functions the same way (e.g. learning to juggle may not help you learn a new language better, but learning to play a musical instrument may help you to learn the other two more easily, since it incorporates language skills through music, and motor skills through playing). Making an argument against this model would place the burden of proof on that side, because as I mentioned before, there is no known mechanism that would lead to the outcome outlined by the 'fair'/balanced model, and it would have to explain away phenomena like neuroplasticity that seem to directly oppose it.

Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]

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Post by baby »

julespitt wrote: post #93
esusatyo wrote: post #86

What is wrong with the interviewer? Towards the end she kept pushing Woz to say that Apple is in decline. Even after Woz repeatedly said that he didn't believe so. Is this the view of the general public? That Apple is doomed if they don't release iWatch or whatever that's bigger than the iPhone/iPad?

Not the general public, but I listen to Bloomberg financial radio a lot, and know-nothing finance types definitely believe that Apple needs another product - any product - immediately. On the other side, different analysts say both the watch market and the TV market are too small to matter, so Apple is also doomed if they do. That the MP3 player, smartphone and tablet markets were also "too small" before Apple releas…

how is the watch market "too small"? Everybody owns a watch. Also if you go out, you'll always see plenty of watch stores, and watch advertisements.

Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]

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Post by baby »

wepple wrote: post #73
CamperBob2 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upgrade to chrome canary. It has that feature. Yeah, I've been meaning to try that Chrome feature out. I'm still on FF22 at the moment. Do you automatically switch tabs after loading it and then get confused which tab has your video? Typically I'll middle-click links to open them in separate tabs without switching to them, then read the tabs later when I have time, sometimes even the next day. So I end up faced with…

Middle-click. A poignant reminder that sometimes effort put into learning that new language/framework/methodology should be redirect into "what really basic web-browsing techniques have I managed to miss all these years"

You can also ctrl+click if you're on a laptop, or use the "DblClicker" plugin on Firefox ;)

(also some laptop allows you to define middle click as triple finger clicking on the trackpad)

Re: Wozniak Says `Lot of Things Wrong’ With Jobs Movie [video]

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Post by gizzlon »

coherentpony wrote: post #19
MBCook wrote: post #12

The woman doing the interview really seems to do a poor job. She seems to let Wozniak get about 80-90% into statements and then speedily talk over him to move onto the next point. It doesn't sound like she's actually listening to his answers, just going down her checklist. At one point he explains why he liked Sorkin's approach better than Kutcher's, then she asked a later question as if he had never said that. It's…

>The woman doing the interview really seems to do a poor job. She seems to let Wozniak get about 80-90% into statements and then speedily talk over him to move onto the next point. This is a property of American media. When people start talking over each other, I stop watching. I can't take it. Conversations and interviews are like a game. Each person makes their turn; the next person only gets to go when the current…

Agree, but sometimes it necessary to cut people off. For example when people just keep talking or when politicians refuse to answer the actual question.
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