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Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#101
OK, /g/entoomen, I will keep saying what I said in one of your threads.

I feel it's strange that your IP is shared to the world together with your public key, so it is, in this sense, anti-anonymous.

You cannot even use it with Tor, because it uses UDP.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#102

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

An hour in, a complaint about icon-plagiarism-via-anonymous-bikeshedding-session is still the top comment on HN for a software project with ambitious technical goals. That in itself is a strong argument for doing one's own work and creating original icons. Assuming for the sake of discussion that Tox is or could be a technically superior solution, do they really want that obscured by this sort of extraneous bullshit?…

TOX is just the project name. The product name is yet to be decided.

This is still a pretty heavy argument about it on the 4Chan threads.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An hour in, a complaint about icon-plagiarism-via-anonymous-bikeshedding-session is still the top comment on HN for a software project with ambitious technical goals. That in itself is a strong argument for doing one's own work and creating original icons. Assuming for the sake of discussion that Tox is or could be a technically superior solution, do they really want that obscured by this sort of extraneous bullshit?…

TOX is just the project name. The product name is yet to be decided. This is still a pretty heavy argument about it on the 4Chan threads.

>This is still a pretty heavy argument about it on the 4Chan threads.

The only reason that occurs is because all the non-technical lurkers want a way to contribute.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#104
post #54

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

Honestly, I don't see the concept being so unique and original that someone else couldn't have come up with it independently, and frankly the Tox logo has a much nicer balance (in the Tox logo, the person/keyhole works much better, whereas in yours it doesn't really work as a "keyhole" in my opinion) than the versions you linked. EDIT: The logo was originally made in /gd/ (4chan's graphic design board), and since the…

Those time stamps are from 2013, much later than parent's links from 2012, or am I missing something?

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#105
post #54

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

Honestly, I don't see the concept being so unique and original that someone else couldn't have come up with it independently, and frankly the Tox logo has a much nicer balance (in the Tox logo, the person/keyhole works much better, whereas in yours it doesn't really work as a "keyhole" in my opinion) than the versions you linked. EDIT: The logo was originally made in /gd/ (4chan's graphic design board), and since the…

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Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#106
post #54

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

Honestly, I don't see the concept being so unique and original that someone else couldn't have come up with it independently, and frankly the Tox logo has a much nicer balance (in the Tox logo, the person/keyhole works much better, whereas in yours it doesn't really work as a "keyhole" in my opinion) than the versions you linked. EDIT: The logo was originally made in /gd/ (4chan's graphic design board), and since the…

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Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#107
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DH is also not a zero-knowledge key exchange algorithm. I think what's confusing you is that DH (a) is a useful building block for forward-secret protocols and (b) generates secrets that often require zero-knowledge proofs. I'm not sure what paper you're referring to but wouldn't be surprised if Diffie's name was on one of the first "forward secrecy" papers; that stuff is/was kind of Whit Diffie's beat (not "privacy"…

DH is zero-knowledge in the sense that the two peers have no knowledge of each other, and yet share a knowledge at the end. Again, I admit my word usage is a little bit liberal, but although I haven't done serious crypto for a couple of years now, I have the strange feeling you are nitpicking. Is it just a feeling? :) I'm referring to this paper: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00124891 Curiously, althou…

That's not what "zero knowledge" means. In the context of STS or, more generally, DH, a ZKP is something you'd add after DH, to verify that one party or the other had arrived at the expected DH result.

I don't think I'm nitpicking: I see where you're coming from but I think you might be entirely wrong.

I don't know what it means to "prefer" DLP crypto. Over what? I just don't understand what you're trying to say with that last graf.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#108

Tox aims to be a secure replacement for Skype. There's several other similar projects, but they are usually hard to set up and use for an average user. Tox is FLOS software developed by community, and currently licensed under GPLv3. We are considering changing the license to something more permissive, so it would be possible to put it on the App & Win8 Stores. Currently, it is in really early stages of development. B…

Congrats on the progress made so far. I'm eager to see how things shape up.

Would love to see a community project analogous to this one develop in the e-mail space since too many users find PGP to be cumbersome, despite some very nice implementations. Bitmessage and I2P's bote are both very interesting, but the prior project needs more experienced security people working on it (and some serious refactoring), and the latter suffers from the perceived issues of the "darknet" (not an issue for me, but...).

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TOX is just the project name. The product name is yet to be decided. This is still a pretty heavy argument about it on the 4Chan threads.

>This is still a pretty heavy argument about it on the 4Chan threads. The only reason that occurs is because all the non-technical lurkers want a way to contribute.

Maybe they should do just what I'm doing.

Sit in the thread monitoring progress. Then congratulating progress when it's made.

Or, if they want to contribute without causing arguments. Go upvote this on Reddit, WOT, Twitter, and whatever else in a way which won't cause a shitstorm in /g/.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#110
post #104
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I don't see the concept being so unique and original that someone else couldn't have come up with it independently, and frankly the Tox logo has a much nicer balance (in the Tox logo, the person/keyhole works much better, whereas in yours it doesn't really work as a "keyhole" in my opinion) than the versions you linked. EDIT: The logo was originally made in /gd/ (4chan's graphic design board), and since the…

Those time stamps are from 2013, much later than parent's links from 2012, or am I missing something?

you are missing nothing. But you can also see the development of the logo into what it became. There were also many doodles and whatnot in threads for weeks before this logo was developed.
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