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Re: Samsung is hurting Android

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Post by coldtea »

berntb wrote: post #57
emanuer wrote: post #7

The Samsung software I have seen on their TVs, laptops, phones has been adequate at best. I wish them best of luck developing another closed ecosystem. However their track record of developing good, functioning software is not very promising. When you use Apple products everything is tied into Apple. I didn't like some parts of their ecosystem (Itunes). It is all or nothing for Apple, so I said farewell and moved on.…

>>those horror stories about people's Google account getting deleted for no good reason are very scary to a startup founder. Afaik, Google also sells commercial support for email, documents, etc? As a founder, you'd probably want a company email address anyway... Googlw would hardly dare to delete those company accounts without a court order?

Google's commercial support is shit.

And Google could very well delete (or block) "those company accounts" without thinking twice.

After all, it's not like "company accounts" are sacred. Especially when the company is some 3-4 person shop in Iowa or something.

PayPal blocks such accounts all the time.

Re: Samsung is hurting Android

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Post by DominikR »

Volpe wrote: post #92
DigitalSea wrote: post #74

Samsung will never truly ditch the platform that helped it become the number #1 mobile phone maker in the world, at least not in the next few years. While Samsung undoubtedly have a plan for Tizen, swapping out Android for Tizen is probably suicide right about now. Without Android, Samsung probably wouldn't be in the place that they are right now: highly profitable and popular. The average consumer doesn't buy a phon…

Samsung's Tizen can run android apps.

So what, they still can't just upload all apps from the Google Play Store into their own. I've actually tried some of the other stores for publishing my own apps and my experience is that users of those alternative stores either have no money or do not want to spend any money on apps. (the sales have been catastrophic, even in Amazons App store)

Re: Samsung is hurting Android

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Post by Volpe »

DominikR wrote: post #102
Volpe wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samsung's Tizen can run android apps.

So what, they still can't just upload all apps from the Google Play Store into their own. I've actually tried some of the other stores for publishing my own apps and my experience is that users of those alternative stores either have no money or do not want to spend any money on apps. (the sales have been catastrophic, even in Amazons App store)

Google Play Store... is an android app.

Re: Samsung is hurting Android

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Post by DominikR »

Volpe wrote: post #103
DominikR wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what, they still can't just upload all apps from the Google Play Store into their own. I've actually tried some of the other stores for publishing my own apps and my experience is that users of those alternative stores either have no money or do not want to spend any money on apps. (the sales have been catastrophic, even in Amazons App store)

Google Play Store... is an android app.

It is not allowed to use any part of Googles Services for Android on a non Android device.

Links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Lice... https://source.android.com/compatibility/index.html

Re: Samsung is hurting Android

#105

Post by danmaz74 »

mstolpm wrote: post #53
danmaz74 wrote: post #45

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and not many people will notice : unless they try to run their favorite Android apps - starting from the Google ones - and they discover that they're not there...

This implies that people buying a new phone actually have detailed knowledge about the underlying OS. But a lot of sold Android smartphones are cheap ones. I know lots of "mormal" people that barely know Android is powering their phones. They will not miss their favorite apps because they have none and seldom install new apps on their phone. Thats the "mass market" that Samsung could address with its own OS.

Ok, leave alone the "apps" - let's talk about the functionality. Where are my maps, with turn by turn navigation? Where is that translation thing that my nephew has got? I think that most people who buy a smartphone, paying good money for it, want to do "things". Many of the most interesting things you can do with Android phones (for free, too) are Google powered. Even Apple has a difficult time replacing them on iOS, and my guess is that they're much better positioned than Samsung in that respect.

Re: Samsung is hurting Android

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Re: Samsung is hurting Android

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Post by coopdog »

mstolpm wrote: post #53
danmaz74 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and not many people will notice : unless they try to run their favorite Android apps - starting from the Google ones - and they discover that they're not there...

This implies that people buying a new phone actually have detailed knowledge about the underlying OS. But a lot of sold Android smartphones are cheap ones. I know lots of "mormal" people that barely know Android is powering their phones. They will not miss their favorite apps because they have none and seldom install new apps on their phone. Thats the "mass market" that Samsung could address with its own OS.

That's the Symbian market and it's shrinking rapidly. I don't think they'd want to compete there with Tizen

Re: Samsung is hurting Android

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Post by gurkendoktor »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #71
eknkc wrote: post #30

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I actually switched to iPhone 5 after a couple months of Lumia 920 usage. Bought it right after release, with the wireless charger and stuff. I really liked the device. My problem was the fucked up regional annoyances. If you are not in USA, good luck! No full size skydrive photo uploads for you! No Xbox online.. No album covers in music app. A lot of missing apps in store. No this, no that. Well, I have no such prob…

At least it is only software-regional. I've bought the One X in Taiwan when it was brand-new and now I have an Android 4.0 phone that only supports the following languages: Chinese, Simplified Chinese and English (I'm still too scared of Buyer's Remorse to check what else is different).

...that was a pretty cryptic post, what I meant is that it only supports these three languages no matter where I am (different hardware/OS per country). It's like buying a movie on a vacation and then finding out about DVD regions.

Re: Samsung is hurting Android

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Post by ganarajpr »

Volpe wrote: post #103
DominikR wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what, they still can't just upload all apps from the Google Play Store into their own. I've actually tried some of the other stores for publishing my own apps and my experience is that users of those alternative stores either have no money or do not want to spend any money on apps. (the sales have been catastrophic, even in Amazons App store)

Google Play Store... is an android app.

The point of an app store is to make money for the app store owner. The owner charges "rent" to put your app in its store. The rent is a cut of your earnings. So, given this fact - do you think putting Google Play on its Tizen would benefit Samsung? Because then the marketplace would still be google's and the revenue would still be theirs..

Amazon Marketplace is not Google play is it? So the revenue from it is going to amazon.

Re: Samsung is hurting Android

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Post by ghemawat »

Looks like the Android bosses are comfortable with it. http://www.wired.com/business/2013/05/exclusive-sundar-picha...

Q. Is it a problem for Google that Samsung is so dominant, and makes almost all the money on the platform?

Pichai: I realize this gets played up in the press a lot. Samsung is a great partner to work with. We work with them on pretty much almost all our important products. Here’s my Samsung Galaxy S4. [Pichai holds up the phone.]

Look, Samsung plays a critical role in helping Android be successful. To ship great experiences, you need hardware and software together. The relationship is very strong on a day-to-day basis and on a tactical basis. So I’m not that concerned. Historically the industry has had long stable structures. Look at Microsoft and Intel. They were very codependent on one another, but it served both of them well. When I look at where computing needs to go, we need innovation in displays, in batteries. Samsung is a world leader in those technologies.

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