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The McDonald's Theory of Bad Ideas

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Of course, there is the risk that everyone thinks McDonalds is a swell idea, and then no one will ever do anything nicer for lunch ever again. Not to stretch the analogy too far, but I have had this happen both literally and figuratively.

Exactly. I can't even begin to tell you how many times something that was supposed to be "just be a prototype" made it to production this same way.

I've wondered if there is any production software that wasn't "just a prototype"

Re: The McDonald's Theory of Bad Ideas

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There's never really anything new in IT. Looking at past revolutions of the eternal IT wheel the next article will be about Fred Brook's "second system effect" where a simple 1st choice like McDonalds for lunch inevitably leads to a ridiculously overengineered second solution in reaction, like a $300/plate steakhouse or perhaps a strange ethnic restaurant for lunch 90 miles away. This article is basically a rehash of…

I read the article differently. The OP is suggesting failing faster by starting with an idea, any idea, just to get moving. I've done something similar. I was a new minted engineering manager. We had lotsa grumpy gate keepers. Domain experts who would withhold information, but happy to snipe later on. So when it wasn't clear (to my immediate team) what to do, I'd add something really stupid, but plausible, to the req…

Sounds similar to the "duck technique", even if the provoked reactions rely on different motivations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_trivialit...

Re: The McDonald's Theory of Bad Ideas

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I don't see this as a creative concern. Does anyone really think this group of coworkers, which almost surely eats something, somewhere eat day needs "inspiration" that they are truly bereft of ideas when this happens? I don't. They aren't out of ideas, they're avoiding blame - the inevitable bitching, disagreement or silent resentment that comes with making a choice. It's the same blame culture that screws up any nu…

Having been in this same situation at work and at home, I have to disagree with you.

We go out to lunch several times a week, and unless someone is craving something, it almost always comes down to this. We use Subway instead of McDonalds, but the result is the same.

There is no blame, we honestly can't think of where to eat until some idea is thrown out there. Then all of a sudden we remember that mexican place in the park, or the new burger joint that opened up a few weeks ago. We throw out suggestions and if we all agree, then we go. It just takes a little push to get the ball rolling.

Re: The McDonald's Theory of Bad Ideas

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I get the theory behind recommending the worse idea so that people recommend something that isn't nearly as bad but what is so bad about McDonald's? Here in Australia there aren't many fast food establishments opened at 3am besides McDonald's and when you're driving to work or had a night out on the town which is worse: dodgy kebab, slightly warm 3 day old curry or McDonald's? I tend to use a similar tactic when we'r…

It's a local thing. Australian McDonalds might actually be OK. But it's also a question of alternatives, and in most cities (not suburbs) at lunchtime near where people work, there are a plethora of better options than McDonalds.

Re: The McDonald's Theory of Bad Ideas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very well put. I can't speak for US McDonald's but Australian McDonald's where I worked in my youth for a bit had very strict QA processes. The store I worked at was in a low income area, but it was kept spotless, food was kept for the minimum amount of time (maximum 10 minutes for fries I think), burgers made to order.

Nothing wrong with McDonald's in the states. The guy is probably some hippie who thinks he's too good for fast food. You know, the type who flairs his nostrils if he can't order his favorite bottle of wine at a restaurant.

(Not the author, just another McDonald's hater.) It's not an elitist thing at all. I think McDonald's is absolutely disgusting and no one should eat there, not that I'm above it. And I don't even drink wine.

Re: The McDonald's Theory of Bad Ideas

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There's never really anything new in IT. Looking at past revolutions of the eternal IT wheel the next article will be about Fred Brook's "second system effect" where a simple 1st choice like McDonalds for lunch inevitably leads to a ridiculously overengineered second solution in reaction, like a $300/plate steakhouse or perhaps a strange ethnic restaurant for lunch 90 miles away. This article is basically a rehash of…

I read the article differently. The OP is suggesting failing faster by starting with an idea, any idea, just to get moving. I've done something similar. I was a new minted engineering manager. We had lotsa grumpy gate keepers. Domain experts who would withhold information, but happy to snipe later on. So when it wasn't clear (to my immediate team) what to do, I'd add something really stupid, but plausible, to the req…

Your description of Brooks's "pilot system" is better than my own, although longer.

Re: The McDonald's Theory of Bad Ideas

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I don't see this as a creative concern. Does anyone really think this group of coworkers, which almost surely eats something, somewhere eat day needs "inspiration" that they are truly bereft of ideas when this happens? I don't. They aren't out of ideas, they're avoiding blame - the inevitable bitching, disagreement or silent resentment that comes with making a choice. It's the same blame culture that screws up any nu…

Having been in this same situation at work and at home, I have to disagree with you. We go out to lunch several times a week, and unless someone is craving something, it almost always comes down to this. We use Subway instead of McDonalds, but the result is the same. There is no blame, we honestly can't think of where to eat until some idea is thrown out there. Then all of a sudden we remember that mexican place in t…

Seems a bit much you all should consistently be unable to "think of where to eat" when the question is asked "several times a week".

Does this pervasive forgetfulness show up everywhere in your lives?

If so, you guys should probably be mulling over doctors, not lunch. If not, you might want to reconsider what I've suggested and why you so consistently "forget" in socially arbitrated situations.

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