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The Node.js Community is Quietly Changing the Face of Open Source

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Re: The Node.js Community is Quietly Changing the Face of Open Source

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Post by pekk »

RKoutnik wrote: post #73
autarch wrote: post #37

It's hardly surprising that there's a huge burst of growth when a language and its package repository first takes off. I'm sure if we looked at the 4 year periods where each of Perl, Python, and Ruby were hitting their stride we'd see similar numbers. It's nice that node.js is succeeding, but it's hardly changing the face of open source. It's treading a very well-trodden path blazed by Perl starting about 28 years ag…

Looking at the numbers posted in the article, there are almost as many npm packages published in four years of Node than there are Python packages published in 22. I think just saying "hey, they're new, it'll level off" is a great disservice to the Node guys who made this happen. Truth is, npm is growing (in terms of # of packages) faster than any community like this ever .

There need to be more packages, because you are starting at a lower level than a "batteries-included" language

Re: The Node.js Community is Quietly Changing the Face of Open Source

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Post by [deleted] »

andypants wrote: post #66
aidos wrote: post #57

So, you want to compile LessCss. You go to npm and have a look at the options. Which package to use? assemble-less, baidu-less, buildr laessig, less, less-bal, less-clean, less-cluster, less-context-functions, less-features-connect, less-less, lesscompile, lesscw, lessup, lesswatcher, lessweb, style-compile, styles, watch-lessc, wepp Number of packages is far from a perfect measure of how much interesting and importa…

Or you could go to the official lesscss.org website and follow the very clear instructions to 'npm install -g less'.

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Re: The Node.js Community is Quietly Changing the Face of Open Source

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Post by drakaal »

mayank wrote: post #89
drakaal wrote: post #39

I have never known Node.JS developers to be quiet. Quite the opposite. With a single thread, gaping security holes if you want large memory support, and until about 3 weeks ago nothing that even came close to resembling compliance with HTTP standards, the onlything Node is changing in the OpenSource community is that a crowd that would have been called script kiddies 5 years ago can now put that on a resume and for s…

Perhaps you could enlighten us about these security issues or how any language "plays big data and science". I'm genuinely curious about what you mean by security issues, even though the rest of your comment is bizzarely bitter.

Security: In order to exceed the heap limit which is quite small in node you have to override the soft limit. Doing so enables several over run attacks. Not doing so severely limits what you can do as large scale apps pretty routinely need more than the 1.4 Gig limit for even simple stuff like tracking users sessions.

Plays Big Data / Science: Python is used in a lot of science fields, Perl is huge in data mining Java is used in a lot of astronomy. Every niche of IT and CompSci has a language that is more prevalent. Even if that is FoxPro for Accounting. Node doesn't have a Niche. (sure they have chat servers that's not really a science or industry) That is what I mean by it doesn't have an area it is contributing to the advancement of a field.

Re: The Node.js Community is Quietly Changing the Face of Open Source

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Post by InclinedPlane »

geon wrote: post #96
InclinedPlane wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously if linux doesn't come "batteries included" then you have to re-invent-from-scratch, or borrow, all the tools like compilers, web servers, package management, archive utilities, etc. That doesn't mean the community is amazing and wants to contribute! ... it means, that those features didn't exist, and someone had to do them (and yes, it's really great that they're all coming out open source, but it's not rev…

If you have a point, make it clearly instead of hiding it.

It's pretty obvious. Your criticisms would have been exactly as justified with regard to linux. That doesn't mean node.js is guaranteed to be as wildly successful as linux, but it does mean that merely dismissing it because so much of the work on it is "just porting things" is misplaced.

Re: The Node.js Community is Quietly Changing the Face of Open Source

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Post by shadowmint »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #104
geon wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a point, make it clearly instead of hiding it.

It's pretty obvious. Your criticisms would have been exactly as justified with regard to linux. That doesn't mean node.js is guaranteed to be as wildly successful as linux, but it does mean that merely dismissing it because so much of the work on it is "just porting things" is misplaced.

Oh the sweet irony. This attitude is exactly what I'm talking about.

You're right, node is great. :)

Re: The Node.js Community is Quietly Changing the Face of Open Source

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Post by darkarmani »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #65
shadowmint wrote: post #15

Obviously if Node doesnt come 'batteries included' then you have to re-invent-from-scratch all the tools like package management, dependency management, MVC libraries, etc. That doesn't mean the community is amazing and wants to contribute! ...it means, that those features didn't exist, and someone had to do them (and yes, it's really great that they're all coming out open source, but it's not revolutionary) Any lang…

Obviously if linux doesn't come "batteries included" then you have to re-invent-from-scratch, or borrow, all the tools like compilers, web servers, package management, archive utilities, etc. That doesn't mean the community is amazing and wants to contribute! ... it means, that those features didn't exist, and someone had to do them (and yes, it's really great that they're all coming out open source, but it's not rev…

So you are saying it is no different than other open source projects?
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