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Re: Introducing Vdio

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Post by glomph »

loumf wrote: post #56
glomph wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I ask why you used the word pivoting instead of moving? To pivot is to swing around a fixed point. What is the fixed point in this context?

Pivot is a term of art popularized by Eric Ries and the lean startup movement. Pivots frequently keep a large part constant, thus the word makes sense.

Frankly I think that it is nonsense and an attempt to sound like you are saying something cleverer than you are. What would be meaningfully different in what he had said if he used the word move?

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Post by ricardobeat »

neura wrote: post #93
ricardobeat wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even if there are 5 Netflixes competing against each other [producing their own content] I would rather pay 5 x $7.99 a month You've just described cable. If those subscriptions start to come in packages we're back to square one.

The original point was that a "netflix" provides better content than cable to start with. The argument against it was that the company providing the content would be exclusively providing that content. The rebuttal is that it would be better to pay 5 companies that all produce exclusive content than to pay for cable, which "provides" mostly stuff you don't want to see (and frequently don't have the option to not watc…

And my rebuttal is that paying 5 (or 10, 20, 50) companies that all produce exclusive content is almost exactly what cable is, the only differences are you pay a middleman instead of the companies directly, and usually can't choose individual providers, they come in preset packages.

I'd rather see independent producers distributing their content over various netflix-like providers, otherwise we're just transplanting our current content production model to the web. That will suck for both consumers and producers.

Re: Introducing Vdio

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Post by ricardobeat »

hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #91
ricardobeat wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix, Amazon, iTunes match, Rdio all took a while to come to Brazil and are doing great. Still waiting for Amazon Instant.

> ... all took a while to come to Brazil and are doing great With the exception of iTunes, they still have big holes on the content available even after launching.

AFAIK we have the same amount of content in Netflix and Rdio as everywhere else, they are just not that good (one of the reasons I'm waiting for Instant).

Re: Introducing Vdio

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

hox wrote: post #72
BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #60

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It's at least a step up from how studios like HBO operate. If you want to watch HBO's content, there's no legal way to do so without being part of an expensive cable package. If you wanted to watch House of Cards and you weren't already a Netflix member, you could just pay the $8 (or get a free first-month trial) to essentially rent the entire Netflix catalog for an entire month. That's what you might have paid not t…

HBO's content is available on a number of outlets as individual seasons and/or episodes.

There is a hefty artificial delay during which you cannot get access to newer content that way. I don't see last weekend's episode of Game of Thrones available anywhere other than HBO Go and torrent sites, currently.

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Post by neura »

ricardobeat wrote: post #102
neura wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original point was that a "netflix" provides better content than cable to start with. The argument against it was that the company providing the content would be exclusively providing that content. The rebuttal is that it would be better to pay 5 companies that all produce exclusive content than to pay for cable, which "provides" mostly stuff you don't want to see (and frequently don't have the option to not watc…

And my rebuttal is that paying 5 (or 10, 20, 50) companies that all produce exclusive content is almost exactly what cable is , the only differences are you pay a middleman instead of the companies directly, and usually can't choose individual providers, they come in preset packages. I'd rather see independent producers distributing their content over various netflix-like providers, otherwise we're just transplanting…

"Netflix seems to be the only one that realizes this, and has started producing their own content (e.g. House of Cards and Arrested Development), and I think this is the only true catalyst that will change the industry for the better."

There's a big difference between a company like Netflix producing their own content, making it available for watching uninterrupted, whenever you like -vs- any of the content providers that charge cable companies for their content streams that include commercials and are generally not available "on demand", packaged together through a single company that won't give you just the content you want, when you want it, but charges you for some combination of provider's streams in a package.

Hence the argument of "the alternative is having to pay $100/month for a cable subscription to watch garbage you don't want to see". 5x7.99 is not the cost of cable. The only cable packages you can get for that price are extremely limited. Also, they will require another $4.99 a month for on-demand, on top of your regular cable fee, unless you're paying more than $100 a month, in which case, it's included. ¬.¬

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Post by davidkatz »

calinet6 wrote: post #65
davidkatz wrote: post #61

The aspect of Rdio which most appeals to me is their subscription model. Vdio doens't have that, so I'll stick with the Appleverse thankyouverymuch. Has better integration into my life.

My thoughts exactly—minus the Appleverse, which to me, is still not good enough. Not Good Enough—I want a subscription to all TV shows, delivered to my television when they air or after, on-demand, at any price. I will pay over $100 per month for this subscription, if it's a good user experience. No one does this yet. Pirating is not a cheaper alternative, it is a higher quality alternative. People are still paying t…

I'm with you, but given that no one does this yet, if I am going to be paying $3-$6 to watch something, I'd rather do it on my Apple TV.

Re: Introducing Vdio

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Post by loumf »

glomph wrote: post #101
loumf wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pivot is a term of art popularized by Eric Ries and the lean startup movement. Pivots frequently keep a large part constant, thus the word makes sense.

Frankly I think that it is nonsense and an attempt to sound like you are saying something cleverer than you are. What would be meaningfully different in what he had said if he used the word move?

He would no longer be referring to Lean Startup. He would no longer be implying that part of the business model was being held constant.
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