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SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Was she tweeting from a personal or company account?

From her account associated with sendgrid: https://twitter.com/adriarichards

She says she works for SendGrid but I thought people usually use a separate corporate twitter account (or set up a different one for those issues)

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Or for anyone else for that matter. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the situation, I feel like any company would have to be pretty crazy to willing attach their name to hers.

So, you'd rather see her name totally vilified and run out of the industry instead? Where's the understanding and tolerance for questionable conduct that was offered to the two guys making jokes now?

Did I say that I would want that? Also, there was a certain point at which, had she apologized and said something along the lines of "I'm really sorry about the fact that I escalated the whole situation more than was necessary. The thing is that the tech community as a whole still has a somewhat sexist vibe which I, as well as others, have been trying to eradicate. Unfortunately, innocent bystanders were caught in the crossfire, for which I'm truly sorry."

This would have placated the people who think that she went too far without her having to give up her position.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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I find the word 'threat' is played a little fast at loose. A joke or aggressively charged comment can still have some wiggle room. Sometimes comments are just mean spirited and malicious. Sometimes its important to remember the context of anonymity.

Her firing was not uncalled for. A quick trip through her twitter feed is all one needs to see how her motivations tend to be political. Her response was sensationalist. She has a bad sense of humor and no respect for free speech. Its sad to see others take up for her just because they find a second-hand conversation a little too crude. The world can be crude and those of us who can take it do not have to shut up so you can feel good.

I wont suggest SendGrid anymore because of this. They can keep her on staff or fire her -- I won't forget that she made it there in the first place. Like the poster above says. This comment was posted in 2009: http://imgur.com/5tbXR2c. That is before her employment at SendGrid. Does the SendGrid hiring department not know how to research?

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> (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs). What, exactly, has she to apologize for? The people in question were speaking like they were in a frat house in direct contravention of a code of conduct they'd agreed to. They had the right to speak. And Adria had the right to tweet. If they didn't like being publicly outed for saying this stuff, guess what? All they had to do was shut their mouths. > What if I acciden…

Do you actually know what the guys said? They made a joke about the word "dong" sounding like the word "dongle". If this is what you think a frat house sounds like, you are very mistaken. That this is considered a faux pas is more politically correct than any office I've ever heard of.

Coming from an environment where the CFO propositioned women about having a threesome with his wife, things like this seem extremely tame.

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Given the way this has escalated I'm expecting it to have engulfed the entire civilized world by the end of the week. You Americans are crazy.

Yep. The only media shitstorms that are crazier than us are from our wonderful colonizers across the pond.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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I think the end result is so dumb. People from both sides got fired, a lot of angry tweets and comments, DOS attacks, etc. I think the whole thing could have been avoided by 1) Not making a private conversation public 2) Solving any issues privately between the involved parties.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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post #60

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Do you actually know what the guys said? They made a joke about the word "dong" sounding like the word "dongle". If this is what you think a frat house sounds like, you are very mistaken. That this is considered a faux pas is more politically correct than any office I've ever heard of.

> Do you actually know what the guys said? I can assure you I know substantially more on this than you do. People have a right to attend a conference without sexual jokes leaking into their ears while they attend a talk. It's as simple as that. Should the guy have been fired? No. Should he have been talking like that? No.

>I can assure you I know substantially more on this than you do.

Well then do enlighten the class.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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I really wish that this whole thing could have ended amicably (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs [by the way, the guy who was fired has already publicly apologized]). It's too bad that sendgrid had to fire her, I would never wish that somebody had their livlihood taken from them like that, but her job was to be a developer evangelist, which is a job she isn't realistically capable of performing anymore. I wo…

In response to the dev on HN 2 days ago, Adria said[1]: "I'm sorry to hear your employer deciding to not to work with you on this and I hope they reconsider, bring you back on and dealing with it constructively" [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5399047

"See you next year." Understood meaning: I am right, you are wrong, you are eating crow; after I publicly bullied you and got you fired, you are not getting away from me.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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post #81

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> (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs). What, exactly, has she to apologize for? The people in question were speaking like they were in a frat house in direct contravention of a code of conduct they'd agreed to. They had the right to speak. And Adria had the right to tweet. If they didn't like being publicly outed for saying this stuff, guess what? All they had to do was shut their mouths. > What if I acciden…

Sigh. Can't everyone in question here be a jerk? We have two sexist/innapropriate developers; one stressed out evangelist who overreacted and innapropriately tweeted a photo; one employer who (apparently, there is STILL no evidence for this fact beyond the anonymous pastebin!) fired one of the first guys on questionable evidence; uncounted hordes of almost-exclusively-male internet users with crystal clear (yet routi…

The sad truth is that grown people acting like children is far more common than you'd expect. This is not a phenomenon exclusive to the technology industry.

Whether it's fashionistas, dock-workers, or politicos, people will be people.

In short: childish, immature, vindictive, and petty.

There was plenty to go around here.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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I really wish that this whole thing could have ended amicably (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs [by the way, the guy who was fired has already publicly apologized]). It's too bad that sendgrid had to fire her, I would never wish that somebody had their livlihood taken from them like that, but her job was to be a developer evangelist, which is a job she isn't realistically capable of performing anymore. I wo…

In response to the dev on HN 2 days ago, Adria said[1]: "I'm sorry to hear your employer deciding to not to work with you on this and I hope they reconsider, bring you back on and dealing with it constructively" [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5399047

At the risk of nitpicking, expressing sympathy != apology. "I am sorry to hear X" is an expression of condolence.
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