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Re: US sanctions Italian hosting provider Autistici Inventati

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Post by compass_copium »

kjksf wrote: post #93
turcogutierrez wrote: post #67

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"Antifa" is not being presented as an ideology, it is being portrayed as a global terror cell. The specific purpose for this is to be able criminalize leftist politics, since the state has many more tools to prevent association with foreign groups.

"Nazi" does not have a leader, but the Nazi party had a leader. Atomwaffen had a leader. Various III% groups have leaders. Strangely, these groups are not being linked to foreign right-wing groups in an attempt to make them illegal.

Re: US sanctions Italian hosting provider Autistici Inventati

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Post by impossiblefork »

iamnothere wrote: post #98
impossiblefork wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but it is possible to make distributed systems. I've written up a little toy in Erlang where you have lots of connections to peers and send dummy messages, all of the same size, to all your peers continuously and then, because of this, you can obviously send a message to whoever you like without anyone being able to know to whom you sent it. With a bit of extra delay you can add retransmission, and then you can…

There are plenty of P2P and anonymous collaboration tools out there, but the problem for these groups is that members will use insecure tools unless they are as convenient and capable as what they are used to. This is the same reason that the government constantly screws up its own opsec. Nontechnical people in any group are a serious problem for maintaining security. (This is also why law enforcement concerns about…

Yes, but then you have to accept that they can't be part of a group that needs security.

If they aren't willing to do things correctly, not be lazy etc., and you tell them that this means that adversaries will be able to pinpoint them, and pinpoint you and everybody else, and they don't express that they're going to take the effort to be reasonable, then maybe you shouldn't talk to them.

Re: US sanctions Italian hosting provider Autistici Inventati

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Post by avaer »

steve1977 wrote: post #82
turcogutierrez wrote: post #67

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That always reminds me of a graffiti I saw once, which simply commanded "Anarchy!"... the irony of which got a bit lost on the artist I think...

That doesn't seem ironic at all. It would be ironic if "Anarchy!" had an HQ.

Re: US sanctions Italian hosting provider Autistici Inventati

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Post by kelseyfrog »

Saline9515 wrote: post #92
kelseyfrog wrote: post #62

Why can't capitalism be judged on its own merits? Why do we need the state to get involved in shaping hegemony?

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Let's stick to the topic please. Don't dilute the investigation with random detours.

Re: US sanctions Italian hosting provider Autistici Inventati

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Post by davidw »

mdb333 wrote: post #61

Siamo tutti antifascisti!

Not in the tech industry, apparently. As a 50 year old, it's really shocking to see what I thought were just solid, solid underpinnings of a modern liberal society like "white nationalists are bad and should be ostracized" eroding.

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Post by compass_copium »

Saline9515 wrote: post #86
turcogutierrez wrote: post #67

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An organization doesn't have to be centralized, just like communists weren't. This is a lazy argument.

There was a national Communist Party as well as several Cominterns. Communists are pretty big on democratic centralism.

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Post by compass_copium »

GaryBluto wrote: post #91
turcogutierrez wrote: post #67

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Copy-pasting my comment to the other poster making the same point:

"Antifa" is not being presented as an ideology, it is being portrayed as a global terror cell. The specific purpose for this is to be able criminalize leftist politics, since the state has many more tools to prevent association with foreign groups.

"Nazi" does not have a leader, but the Nazi party had a leader. Atomwaffen had a leader. Various III% groups have leaders. Strangely, these groups are not being linked to foreign right-wing groups in an attempt to make them illegal.

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Post by ethagnawl »

skeledrew wrote: post #78
kelseyfrog wrote: post #62

Why can't capitalism be judged on its own merits? Why do we need the state to get involved in shaping hegemony?

Capitalism "needs to win", but there's no way it can without being ruthlessly forced upon people. Heck even forcing it is just delaying the inevitable decline/crash.

Certain elements of Capitalism (cough AI) seem to simultaneously be speedrunning its decline and keeping it on life support. What strange times we find ourselves in.
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