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Pixel 11 Pro Fold feels like the end of an era

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Re: Pixel 11 Pro Fold feels like the end of an era

#101

I cannot understand how people can tolerate the crease. It's so visible on every foldable. And it's simply not acceptable to my eyes.

Really depends on what you do with the open phone. I can understand it being a huge distraction when watching video with the seam right in the middle. EBook reading? Apps in tablet interface mode? Might as well complain that using two monitors on your desktop is unusable because of the bezels. Doesn't matter in practice.

Re: Pixel 11 Pro Fold feels like the end of an era

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Yes it is Apple's fault. The iMessage app does both SMS, and the iMessage protocol. Apple could have released an android app to let you have blue bubbles on android and communicate securely without any of the constraints of SMS by simply releasing "iMessage for Android". Somehow Signal, Whatsapp, Telegram, Discord, WeChat, LINE, KakaoTalk, etc etc all manage to have both iOS and Android apps that can message each oth…

Sure they could've provided a solution, but they didn't create the problem. And they're not a charity. It's like blaming Nvidia for not giving away CUDA for free/cheap. Btw everyone knows whether they're using iMessage or SMS, that's the whole bubble color thing.

> Btw everyone knows whether they're using iMessage or SMS, that's the whole bubble color thing.

Everyone sorta knows, but because iMessage "feels" like it's just the native messaging app on the phone, it makes people feel like the issue is android (why don't android phones come with this super-sms built in?) rather than apple for not making the app available broadly.

If it were a separate app, then perhaps the EU would have regulated "when setting up iOS, you must get a default option between iMessage, Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal, etc, you must be able to change the default messaging app", and forcing people to install it would make it more obvious that this is Apple implementing a proprietary chat protocol, not Apple just doing SMS better than android.

> they didn't create the problem. And they're not a charity.

Apple did create the problem by creating a walled garden messaging app, banning beeper for implementing the iMessage protocol for android, and tying some of the phone's core functionality to this built-in app in an anti-competitive way.

A certain amount of industry interoperability should be expected. If you make a browser, it should be able to load competitors websites (which nice, safari can load google.com, good work). If you make a computer that can install arbitrary software, you should allow anyone to install software they wrote freely (oops, apple missed that one). And if you make a messaging app or social media app, you should make it support all major operating systems people use so that people can switch their operating systems and phones without losing touch with their friends. I should still be able to facetime my grandma even if I switch to linux because gosh knows she's not going to learn a new video call app.

Re: Pixel 11 Pro Fold feels like the end of an era

#104
I remain an irreductible fan of the one-hand theory, and therefore stick with an iPhone 13 mini. I might be late at the folding-phone revolution.

Alas it seems we won't see any such phone that fits in a pant's pocket and that can be operated single-handedly. I am afraid that the 13 mini is the last of its kind.

Yet many reports of people dropping their gigantic phones. Maybe that's a business model after all.

Re: Pixel 11 Pro Fold feels like the end of an era

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Not really, there are a couple of new products like that but they are fairly uncommon and inconvenient. I think there is a real movement to want to use social media and phones less, but I think it's is more likely to come from Apple implementing tools to help break social media addiction than buying a flip phone.

> it's is more likely to come from Apple implementing tools to help break social media addiction What have they implemented?

Screen Time probably

Re: Pixel 11 Pro Fold feels like the end of an era

#106

I remain an irreductible fan of the one-hand theory, and therefore stick with an iPhone 13 mini. I might be late at the folding-phone revolution. Alas it seems we won't see any such phone that fits in a pant's pocket and that can be operated single-handedly. I am afraid that the 13 mini is the last of its kind. Yet many reports of people dropping their gigantic phones. Maybe that's a business model after all.

Also fan of the smaller phones. I dug up my Samsung Galaxy Ace from many years ago, and was so surprised at how tiny it was, with a replaceable battery as well!

My hope is that Unihertz ends up making a phone that I like enough, they seem to be pretty much the only ones making smaller phones. Their current offering doesn't really speak to me yet, but they're making quick progress.

Re: Pixel 11 Pro Fold feels like the end of an era

#107

The crease makes it look cheap and fragile, like with many of the foldable phones. I'm curious what people need the huge screens for on phones? Is it mostly for watching videos?

What a strange question. I guess we no longer need monitors because a phone display is all anyone should need? Why do I need two devices when one would do? I get we are not there yet but I can certainly imagine having just one device and virtual displays in my glasses / contacts. Those displays will not be phone sized

Also, bad eye site, large fonts, suck in small screens

Re: Pixel 11 Pro Fold feels like the end of an era

#108

The crease makes it look cheap and fragile, like with many of the foldable phones. I'm curious what people need the huge screens for on phones? Is it mostly for watching videos?

When you open it, it becomes a tablet not a phone. And therein lays your answer.

Re: Pixel 11 Pro Fold feels like the end of an era

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure they could've provided a solution, but they didn't create the problem. And they're not a charity. It's like blaming Nvidia for not giving away CUDA for free/cheap. Btw everyone knows whether they're using iMessage or SMS, that's the whole bubble color thing.

> Btw everyone knows whether they're using iMessage or SMS, that's the whole bubble color thing. Everyone sorta knows, but because iMessage "feels" like it's just the native messaging app on the phone, it makes people feel like the issue is android (why don't android phones come with this super-sms built in?) rather than apple for not making the app available broadly. If it were a separate app, then perhaps the EU wo…

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Re: Pixel 11 Pro Fold feels like the end of an era

#110

Who is paying $1900 for not an iPhone? $1900? Wow wth

I did buy flagships few times and to be honest I did not regret them.

I kept them longer and I was able to do more... but that was few years ago when phones were getting more powerful for a reason.

Cameras were getting more megapixels to get on par with non digital photography (arguably, if you are not an artist at least) and everything needed to come along, memory, storage, processing and of course screen resolution.

... but again once that was done, which varies for everyone but still, and that is the key part of the argument, reaches a plateau of usefulness for the average user, then everything "more" was really a technical specification d*ck measuring contest. Unless you have superhuman vision, current screens are "good enough" to check your family photos and your work email.

Long story short I went from flaghships to 2nd hand few generations olds Pixel 8 (cheapest I could try GrapheneOS on) and I don't regret that decision at all.

TL;DR: I did, I don't anymore.

PS: before someone argues I don't know what I'm missing as I'm probably not using my phone for much, I do quite a lot on my phone including programming on it (directly on it, not via ssh), streaming videos on video projectors, running qemu for other architectures, etc. I'm not a casual user.

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