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Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by exabrial »

exabrial wrote: post #68

I’m guessing this has something to do with the EU mandate for AI watermarking content

Well for the ding dong that downvoted me, here's a technical explanation of why this is a plausible theory

* current LLMs work by choosing next likely token, with a small randomization built in (emulating how humans sometimes substitute words)

* one implementation of the text marking is to "rig" the dice roll above, but do that on based upon a certain key

* so by looking at word substitutions in text, you can use a key verify it was generated by an llm.

* the algo is designed not to substitute proper nouns and some other asterisks... no idea if it's deterministic or not.

So yes, this is completely possible and even fits what happened.

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by anamexis »

wavemode wrote: post #90
ivan_gammel wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn‘t sound like AI. LLMs do not use dictionary definitions for translating a paper this way. It does look like some translation engine like Google Translate or worse, maybe with some text obfuscator trying to avoid plagiarism detection.

LLMs are not the only form of AI.

Simple substitution of phrases doesn’t sound like any AI.

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by JustARandomGuy »

Joker_vD wrote: post #83
avalys wrote: post #54

Most of these are authored by what appear to be non-native English speakers. So, the most likely explanation is a translation issue. In engineering literature from Russia from the 1960s, one sometimes finds references to a ‘water goat’ in papers that are otherwise about heavy machinery. It turns out this is a twice-translated rendition of ‘hydraulic ram’.

Hey, it's not that easy to chose between "водяной баран" and "гидравлический таран", you know. My favourite example of troubled blind translation is still "naked conductor runs under the carriage".

What was "naked conductor runs under the carriage" supposed to be originally? Open driveshaft? Differential?

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by Joker_vD »

JustARandomGuy wrote: post #103
Joker_vD wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, it's not that easy to chose between "водяной баран" and "гидравлический таран", you know. My favourite example of troubled blind translation is still "naked conductor runs under the carriage".

What was "naked conductor runs under the carriage" supposed to be originally? Open driveshaft? Differential?

It's supposed to mean "a naked wire is stretched under the car". But it very well can be interpreted as, well, as a cloth-less train conductor having to quickly move under the carriage.

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by Joker_vD »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #99
Joker_vD wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, it's not that easy to chose between "водяной баран" and "гидравлический таран", you know. My favourite example of troubled blind translation is still "naked conductor runs under the carriage".

Nice double entendre but it seems to be a perfectly valid description of electrical wiring in a machine? What was the original intent?

It is a perfectly valid description of electrical wiring... but you need to have that context to translate it properly. Technical English translation skills vs. literary English translation skills, if you will.

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by lostlogin »

JustARandomGuy wrote: post #103
Joker_vD wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, it's not that easy to chose between "водяной баран" and "гидравлический таран", you know. My favourite example of troubled blind translation is still "naked conductor runs under the carriage".

What was "naked conductor runs under the carriage" supposed to be originally? Open driveshaft? Differential?

It’ll be a reference to a wire surely? Bare conductor?

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by xgulfie »

anamexis wrote: post #102
wavemode wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs are not the only form of AI.

Simple substitution of phrases doesn’t sound like any AI.

Autocorrect unleashed doesn't sound like any AI either but that doesn't stop anyone from calling it that

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by debugnik »

croisillon wrote: post #48

i kid you not, yesterday i was wondering what's the english word for bathroom scale, so i googled "pèse personne in english", and got answered "person weighs"

The translations from that Google Search widget are painfully literal given how searches are usually phrased. I can't believe they've put that in production.

Similarly, I find its AI tab useless because it has a hard time interpreting search phrasing. If I need to reword it I might as well switch to a chatbot.

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