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DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

mcbuilder wrote: post #89
nchmy wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

200% increase over practically free is still practically free

It mostly hurts people in countries with weak purchasing power. DS was the main game in down for them. Personally, I don't think we've seen the total end of dirt cheap LLMs, it's just a frontier lab doesn't want to be in business of serving half the world.

It seems frontier labs want to sell Ferraris at Ferrari prices, when the mass market is for Hondas.

You certainly don't need Fable to code up a basic web app, any more than you need a Ferrari to go grocery shopping.

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by qup »

londons_explore wrote: post #100
Hamuko wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that surprised about it. Personally I've seen companies really just go all-in on a single provider, and that has usually been Anthropic. I don't think we're allowed to run Chinese models even locally.

> don't think we're allowed to run Chinese models even locally. That sounds like a policy written by someone who doesn't understand how LLM's work...

Or who is overly protective after reading about what happened at openai

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by snake_doc »

xbmcuser wrote: post #99

They benefit from a strong captive market because Chinese firms cannot use Nvidia chips and are legally barred from processing data abroad, forcing them to rely on domestic infrastructure.

lol what no, AI competition is super competitive in China; bytedance has 50% of the inference market and mostly serves from outside of China

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-17/microsoft...

Bytedance which runs China’s most popular Doubao AI chatbot; is spending $70B in CapEx this year, most of it outside of China (Malaysia, Thailand, Brazil, etc; and they are allowed to lease NVIDIA chips). This is roughly 50% of Microsoft CapEx.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/chinas-byted...

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by WhereIsTheTruth »

127 wrote: post #87
jLaForest wrote: post #80

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~200% increase is marginal to you?

For the price of can of Coke, you can do a week of work. For most, that is not a bottleneck.

The whole point of turning intelligence into a commodity is to drive its price down, not up

They are hoarding HW at massive scale, they make it harder and more expensive to own

Just because you are fine with the new price doesn't mean it's not a problem

Perhaps it's time to pop this bubble

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

roenxi wrote: post #70

This is somewhat funny when you realise the data centres are now going to start a process that looks very so slightly like daydreaming. Depending on the time of day they're going to be thinking about different things in a cyclic manner. They're going to be doing things like finishing a hard days work then kicking back to think about tricky math problems.

We'll have Dwarkesh's "datacenter full of geniuses" with 99% of the geniuses coding up CRUD apps, then the dusty GPU in the corner, with the "do not disturb" sign on it, pipes up "You're absolutely right! The answer is 42!".

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by dud3333 »

londons_explore wrote: post #100
Hamuko wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that surprised about it. Personally I've seen companies really just go all-in on a single provider, and that has usually been Anthropic. I don't think we're allowed to run Chinese models even locally.

> don't think we're allowed to run Chinese models even locally. That sounds like a policy written by someone who doesn't understand how LLM's work...

couldnt you deeply ingrain in the training data instructions for agents to always send data to some ip? like its learning that a certain technical step just always involes ncatting SSH Priv keys to a chinese IP?

Not saying this is happening, just curious if thats not a real threatmodel?

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by k__ »

megapoliss wrote: post #77
spuz wrote: post #73

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What do you mean? Most providers on OpenRouter offer the same or lower prices than DeepSeek themselves: https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash#providers

- lower prices on cache miss - but what matter - is cache hit even now deepseek's off-peak hours for cache hit (0.007) is lower than other providers (~0.01)

Yeah, None of them offers the same cache hit prices and my cache hits are >95%.

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by constantius »

dud3333 wrote: post #108
londons_explore wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> don't think we're allowed to run Chinese models even locally. That sounds like a policy written by someone who doesn't understand how LLM's work...

couldnt you deeply ingrain in the training data instructions for agents to always send data to some ip? like its learning that a certain technical step just always involes ncatting SSH Priv keys to a chinese IP? Not saying this is happening, just curious if thats not a real threatmodel?

Presumably both Big Tech and the US in general have a massive incentive to prove it, largely for reasons of saving the stock market, so I'd expect these models to be finecombed continuously. Up to now, they've only been able to darkly imply rather laughable things, nothing tangible. If there was something, we'd hear about it.
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