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Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by M3L0NM4N »

kittoes wrote: post #80
M3L0NM4N wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, firearms themselves present a clear and present danger by themselves. I'm sure once you make laws to control them, the firearms learn to stop being dangerous.

Why does this always have to be binary when any amount of gun control is suggested? It's simple math: if me didn't manufacture so many guns and didn't make them so readily available then there will inherently be less danger... this isn't even debatable!

That is obviously true... but also a fairy tale hypothetical, and we are in the real world. So the question is, what's the solution, right now? Not 200 years ago.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by Xirdus »

jvanderbot wrote: post #67
VariousPrograms wrote: post #13

The inaccuracy of our omniscient AI surveillance network isn't why I'm against it. The conclusion of this article is that we need more humans in the loop for a successful police state.

Right. A perfect surveillance state is still wrong by design. If you dont accept this, consider the perfect surveillance state under president N, used by president N+1 given the inevitable flipflop in party control.

Unfortunately, the Trump presidency has conclusively proved the "imagine if your opponent was in power" argument doesn't work. Everybody says Trump should be impeached, nobody says the office of the president should be deprived of the powers Trump used to do the things he should be impeached for.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by giantg2 »

thataccount wrote: post #2

The outrage level and desire to stop tech being used this way ought to be reaching a fever pitch rather than being a kind of unfortunate documentary of how it isn't working right.

Most people don't care as long as it doesn't affect them. You'd probably have to get to 10% affected for it to start mattering. Most people are happy to be ignorant.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by paimapi »

andybak wrote: post #76

I get tired of saying this but "got misidentified by the police" is somewhere between an annoyance and a humourous anecdote in most developed countries that aren't the USA where it appears to be justifiably regarded as a near death experience.

a significant portion of police training literally teaches them to fear your regular citizen. they're taught that anybody may be armed and they face the chance of death at every traffic stop and are shown dashcam footage of the worst incidents where this did happen without the probabilistic context

see https://revealnews.org/podcast/what-cops-arent-learning/

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by actionfromafar »

jvanderbot wrote: post #67
VariousPrograms wrote: post #13

The inaccuracy of our omniscient AI surveillance network isn't why I'm against it. The conclusion of this article is that we need more humans in the loop for a successful police state.

Right. A perfect surveillance state is still wrong by design. If you dont accept this, consider the perfect surveillance state under president N, used by president N+1 given the inevitable flipflop in party control.

The Christians have to vote just once more, right?

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by mywittyname »

Tostino wrote: post #8
Simulacra wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you thought about running against them? Go get the paperwork, stand out in front of the post office and collect signatures.

Way too much money gets spent on local elections in this area, and just about everybody there is a legacy name of one sort or another. I'm also in the middle of my second startup, with a toddler. I can raise some hell though. Edit: I just (had claude) looked up how much was spent on each elected seat across the candidates, and for each of the 5 county commissioner's seats, the election spend between the candidates fo…

Hand out pamphlets at the voting station with your name and, "I'll get Flock cameras removed." That's probably all you need to do.

It depends on where you live, but some local offices are decided by as little as a few dozen voters.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by Barbing »

skullone wrote: post #41

Add the flock CEOs license plate to the system, lets see how he likes it

He’d love a chance to have a reason to start marketing bodycams on sticks you strap over and above your back. He gets pulled over, links the cops to his timestamped cloud-attested footage from his 24/7 third-person view cam proving his innocence, and drives to the office to promote how constantly recording everyone including ourselves just makes everything safer.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by AlotOfReading »

stickfigure wrote: post #32
nemomarx wrote: post #9

Why did they need to have guns drawn and that many cops, even if the flag had been correct? A car involved in a homicide investigation doesn't mean it's even being driven by the suspect. It's not a positive ID at all

We don't the details of the flag. In general cops err on the side of protecting themselves from danger and I can't fault them for that. How would you approach a car whose driver is suspected of homicide? Obviously someone made a mistake here but I'm not sure this has anything to do with Flock. The car had an "APB" out. We want cops to pull over "wanted" cars, right?

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. If police treat every situation as a potentially dangerous engagement, they're actually actually increasing the likelihood that dangerous engagements occur.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by spike021 »

VariousPrograms wrote: post #13

The inaccuracy of our omniscient AI surveillance network isn't why I'm against it. The conclusion of this article is that we need more humans in the loop for a successful police state.

arguably you could say we always could use more humans in the loop even when it is only humans in the loop.
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