I hate to sounds like I'm defending them... but that's like every startup. Taxi Pendants? Never heard of her - Uber/Lyft Gambling laws? Pssht - Polymarkets
Aah yes that scrappy $1.7 trillion start-up.
xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout
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Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
None of that matters, unless you can buy a Tesla with FSD enabled. This has been promised so many times, for so many years, that it's become a bit of a joke.
You can, https://www.tesla.com/fsd Are you trying to invent your own definition for self driving and quibble that supervision negates what the car is doing?
>Are you trying to invent your own definition for self driving
Are you?
Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then show me a pattern of flouting regulations (which I can easily believe he has). His terrible views on unrelated issues are irrelevant.
What evidence is there of Musk's competency? Actual testimony that he has provided input that has led to revenue (or some more indirect form of success)? We can all hold and spend money; I'll admit his purchase of SpaceX was intelligent. But outside of that one decision, where is his supposed genius?
> What evidence is there of Musk's competency?
Why are you asking me? What makes you think I suggested he is competent? What does your question have to do with this whole conversation?
Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
> you don’t think “Creating widespread non-consensual nude images of primarily women and children“ is illegal somewhere/anywhere? Are you reading any of my comments? I'm having trouble tying your question to anything I've said so far.
>flouting regulations. That's the topic here. You don't think someone flouting regulations on distribution of internet content won't flout data center regulations?
> You don't think someone flouting regulations on distribution of internet content won't flout data center regulations?
You don't think someone flouting the speed limit laws won't flout online content regulations?
Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll bite. The title is about ignoring regulations related to a data center. How is any of what I quoted relevant? If the article were about Elon Musk's racist views, then by all means I'd be fine with it. But his (or Grok's) racism is irrelevant to the laws he is violating. Would it be OK if a well respected billionaire flouted those laws?
You don't think it's relevant to discuss what has been done with the resources from breaking these regulations? I think it's very relevant to the article. If this was about building illegal gas turbines to power cancer research, I think you would have a different perspective on the article.
I already addressed that here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49202037
And yes, I would be equally critical of any article that talks about someone violating laws with their data center, and that tries to list the positives coming out of the data center as a mitigating factor. It isn't one.
Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
> unpermitted gas turbines they've been running at their Memphis Colossus data center Just a reminder that when you're building a business, having land and a datacenter ready and cannot be switched on, with idle staff, costs the business money. xAI could only draw 7-8MW from the grid and needed to run 10s of 1000s of H1000s. They shipped in 15 gas turbines as a more permanent onsite power plant while TVA/MLGW worked…
I'm going to be blunt; this is a wildly bad-faith argument. You started the quote right after the important word: illegal. > the illegal, unpermitted gas turbines they've been running at their Memphis Colossus data center Illegal. These turbines are illegal. What xAI under Musk's direction is doing is illegal. A business that must break the law to be practical isn't a business, it's a criminal organization operating…
Are they actually missing required permits? what does the government say? Why haven't they gone in with the police?
I expect they have permission or dont need it.
At the very least, they have permission of the federal government which threw out all of the court cases against them.
Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is being needlessly pedantic. Disdain for the rights of other people does not start and end at literal written regulations. And yeah, on some level it's not strictly relevant to the exact legal question being discussed, but part of the purpose of an article is to give you reasons to give a shit about what's being reported.
> but part of the purpose of an article is to give you reasons to give a shit about what's being reported. And this is where the article is trying to bias the readers. As I said elsewhere: If this article was "Elon Musk is a shitty guy, and look at all the shitty stuff he does", I'd have no objection to any of this. Present all the examples, make the case, and let the reader decide. But showing someone violating the…
So nobody can report facts if it makes the subject of an article look bad (or good)? This idea of unbiased reporting that you have is ridiculous. This isn't a court of law, and not everything needs to rise to that standard.
If you want something free of bias, go read an NTSB report. Even then, that's not a guarantee!!
Stories that involve peoples' motivations and politics are never free of bias. The fact that you think this is possible might betray some bias of your own.
Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout
#108> In the latest example of corporations existing outside of the law, SpaceX (who is for some reason the controlling entity of xAI now) announced they'll be removing the illegal, unpermitted gas turbines they've been running at their Memphis Colossus data center... by July 2027. This is the thing the HN crowd doesn't seem to get whenever a post is on here about data centers. They are often times doing outright illegal…
Yes, and big part of it is public is ok with that. For example, did you protest while Uber was breaking many local laws while growing?
I have still never taken an Uber. I have always used taxis and I like them more because of the regulations. The difference is cost is minimal now because the taxis had to adjust their rates to remain in business.
Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course the government has permission to punish crime. However government officials might find themselves in a courtroom having to demonstrate how they applied the law equally, and would be subject to discovery to see if they were being corruptly influenced (there is organization and international funding for the anti-data center movement in the US”; there is very little grassroots opposition other than typical NIM…
> However government officials might find themselves in a courtroom having to demonstrate how they applied the law equally… I wish I lived in your world.
I don’t have that kind of clout or money, but Elon does.
Re: xAI, SpaceX, and the Race for AI Buildout
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Intersting that the title was also changed from the current top level header: >xAI Ignores Laws And Profits: Rules For Thee, Not For Me To what it is now, as if this is just healthy competition.
I grow increasingly skeptical of HN's "moderation"
The moderation here typically leans to whatever generates the most curious discussion, rather than sticking with inflammatory titles, even if it's what the author intends. In some way, I trust HN to become the "editors" of the internet in a sense, as they have everyone's best interest in heart of course.
As the legendary PG once wrote: "What are you excessively curious about — curious to a degree that would bore most other people? That's what you're looking for"