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The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

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Re: The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

#101

Tip for smart science-y young people: think about a career in experimental physics. Experimental data is the complement of theoretical power. Since theory can be provided cheaply by LLMs, experimental ability is now the bottleneck for progress in physics. I expect to see frontier labs or startups hiring experimentalists to provide data for LLMs to analyze, pushing towards breakthroughs in areas like room-temperature…

Not a physics guy but isn’t experimental always the bottleneck?

Re: The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

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Not to denigrate the moment (AI ingress into theory which this is a part of) or the result here, but these headlines are perhaps overstating the importance - some of the theories and conjectures are available for AI-assisted exploration because they are quite niche and not very important. Maxwell's name being invoked here for instance implies a hundred year old foundational problem like Fermat, but it's just a recent…

I'm not sure that's right. The conjecture is (claimed to be, by the people who explicitly made it) simply a reformulation of a claim made by Maxwell in his "Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism" of 1873.

Re: The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure they care about elegance, or at least brevity. Minimizing tokens out, or generally "token efficiency," is part of the objective function for these systems. It doesn't mean they are perfect at it though.

"They" don't "care" about anything. It is a stateless computational run across thousands of semiconductors. There is no objective this software has other than the computational function completing. To care would mean the model would have a level of discernment that goes along with sentience.

You are kind of ignoring the Dennett's idea of different stances: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_stance

You're looking at humans from intentional stance, but at LLMs from design stance, which would be a form of categorical error.

Re: The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

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post #43

Not to denigrate the moment (AI ingress into theory which this is a part of) or the result here, but these headlines are perhaps overstating the importance - some of the theories and conjectures are available for AI-assisted exploration because they are quite niche and not very important. Maxwell's name being invoked here for instance implies a hundred year old foundational problem like Fermat, but it's just a recent…

They might be low-hanging fruit but two things immediately come to mind: * As more of the small stuff is just proven for free, the more they can be used as a basis for other proofs. If you know something is true or false for certain, that can be a significant tailwind for the much harder, much more important problems. Fermat's last theorem looks deceptively simple and invited many failed amateur attempts at solving i…

The bar for math PhDs already ruled out like 99.9% of the population, so I don't see it having much effect on discouraging people. The gap between even a bright student who takes AP calculus or whatever and someone studying e.g. spectral sequences is already incomprehensibly large. Like you literally could not even convey to a smart young person how far away they are from the boundary of today's understanding. I don't think I even have a reasonable sense with a math bachelor's!

People who get into math do it because they can't not do it.

Re: The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

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post #43

Not to denigrate the moment (AI ingress into theory which this is a part of) or the result here, but these headlines are perhaps overstating the importance - some of the theories and conjectures are available for AI-assisted exploration because they are quite niche and not very important. Maxwell's name being invoked here for instance implies a hundred year old foundational problem like Fermat, but it's just a recent…

They might be low-hanging fruit but two things immediately come to mind: * As more of the small stuff is just proven for free, the more they can be used as a basis for other proofs. If you know something is true or false for certain, that can be a significant tailwind for the much harder, much more important problems. Fermat's last theorem looks deceptively simple and invited many failed amateur attempts at solving i…

Notably we have had very few conjectures proven true, so it doesn't feel like there is that widening base of established map to draw yet more proofs upon.

Re: The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've actually been involved in annotation projects doing RLHF to train LLMs to do exactly that. It's not a matter of time, it's already happening - it's just seemingly lower priority than "profitable" projects like post-training LLMs to replace white collar workers.

>> post-training LLMs to replace white collar workers. And I look forward to a single example where this happened....

No need to downvote. Just provide a counter example...

Re: The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

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post #5

On the one-hand side, it's really impressive how LLMs drive mathematics forward, and this pace is only accelerating very quickly. At the same time, most of the proofs I've looked at appear super messy and chaotic to me (while still being correct of course, so it doesn't matter). LLMs do not care about "elegance" the way human beings do, which is a big advantage. LLMs for mathematics is such a great fit on many levels…

Keep in mind the last big LLM maths proof (disproving the Collatz conjecture) turned out to just be exploiting five different bugs in LEAN

That very much does not describe what happened. Someone found the bug and used it to disprove the Collatz conjecture as a demonstration of the bug. Nobody ever claimed it as an LLM proof.

Re: The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Academic math is a bit like basic research. You come up with funny ways to look at numbers or prove weird statements about this thing you came up with and call a "group", and a couple years or decades or centuries later it turns out that this solves real problems in electrical engineering or biology Or it ends up never becoming useful. But you can't know that in advance

Disagree, basic research, no matter how dull, is an observation of a measured reality. Math Theory are patterns of abstraction that may never be useful at all or representative of reality.

“May never be useful“? You make it sound as if there aren't countless examples of those "abstractions" of theory/pure math turning out to be useful in all kinds of fields in the past. This feels like the more general anti-science argument of 90% of science is useless and never produces practical applications, the point people never understand is that nobody knows which 10% it's going to be so you have to do the 100% to get to the 10%.

Re: The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

#110

Tip for smart science-y young people: think about a career in experimental physics. Experimental data is the complement of theoretical power. Since theory can be provided cheaply by LLMs, experimental ability is now the bottleneck for progress in physics. I expect to see frontier labs or startups hiring experimentalists to provide data for LLMs to analyze, pushing towards breakthroughs in areas like room-temperature…

Politely, absolutely not. Physics as a domain is a nightmare. Even the employment statistics are hard to understand because, like Philosophy, only the best of the best pursue it. I've had countless friends throughout my PhD studies tell me that their decision to pursue a PhD in Physics ruined their lives. (Which is an exageration, but you get the point.) The bottom line is that you should pusue Physics only if you st…

Counterpoint: my entire physics phd cohort is doing great now and it didn’t ruin our lives.

I think better advice is “do you want to work in this specific lab for 5 years?”, not “do you really want to do physics”? Talk to the lab members, learn what they do.

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