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Using an open model feels surprisingly good

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Re: Using an open model feels surprisingly good

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The inflation-adjusted cost for getting one of the early personal computers to do some BASIC programming was probably a lot higher than $5k today, and you could still go cheaper. Local AI is still (expensive) hobby territory. A capable local AI machine runs for about as much as a good mountainbike.

And in many regions, you'll be adding significantly to your electricity bill to run it. It's not just the initial outlay for the hardware.

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Re: Using an open model feels surprisingly good

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The reason Claude code is so popular is because it’s really good at taking super vague human prose “Claude build me a million dollar SaaS”-type prompts and spitting out thousands of lines of code which cover tons of surface-level edge cases, build in tons of functionality, etc The smaller/open models are less good at that. But that’s not how software development is done. You don’t prompt a whole app and be done with…

This is what I've found and would likely be the consenses of the HN community. This has lowered the barrier of entry for many non-SWEs. I'm primarily a data scientist myself in the environmental sector with limited front end development. My partner proposed an idea to help manage her horses and over the course of several weeks we fleshed out an android app that would enable/assist her with horse care. I spent a few d…

> We now have a fully developed app that we are testing but found several features missing.

So not fully developed then.

Re: Using an open model feels surprisingly good

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Why can't builders promote their products if it's truly good?

I don't have a problem with that if "truly good" is measured by something other than "feels good to me".

Karpathy doing "vibe check" on models was fine, though. Why they can't do the same thing on something they provide?

We have seen self-criticism and self back-pats here. There's no need to be so critical. Others can test and have their own opinions, too.

Re: Using an open model feels surprisingly good

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I don't have a problem with that if "truly good" is measured by something other than "feels good to me".

Karpathy doing "vibe check" on models was fine, though. Why they can't do the same thing on something they provide? We have seen self-criticism and self back-pats here. There's no need to be so critical. Others can test and have their own opinions, too.

Sure, I mean, I don't care. It's just useless. Not sure why it's upvoted so much. The post is barely intelligible. The information content is zero.

If someone explains really well why they find their own product great, that's different. I don't mind that at all.

Re: Using an open model feels surprisingly good

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Karpathy doing "vibe check" on models was fine, though. Why they can't do the same thing on something they provide? We have seen self-criticism and self back-pats here. There's no need to be so critical. Others can test and have their own opinions, too.

Sure, I mean, I don't care. It's just useless. Not sure why it's upvoted so much. The post is barely intelligible. The information content is zero. If someone explains really well why they find their own product great, that's different. I don't mind that at all.

You might see no information, but I see someone having their opinions really moved, in a serious manner. It's not upvoted because it advertises Kimi. It's upvoted because someone tried something different, and genuinely surprised.

I see this as a post from someone who understood the value of "open". Now they're open to understand the value of "free" (as in unencumbered). In the age of AI, we need to understand the value and embrace more open and free, both as in models and software.

It's good food. It's worth thinking about.

Re: Using an open model feels surprisingly good

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The reason Claude code is so popular is because it’s really good at taking super vague human prose “Claude build me a million dollar SaaS”-type prompts and spitting out thousands of lines of code which cover tons of surface-level edge cases, build in tons of functionality, etc The smaller/open models are less good at that. But that’s not how software development is done. You don’t prompt a whole app and be done with…

Personally I've found Deepseek v4 Flash to be as useful to me as Opus. But I don't do these silly one shot tech demos. I have the technical understanding to ask for exactly the change I want with the right terminology. I loaded up some credit on openrouter and it took me ages to hit $1 in spend.

I use Claude at work; provided by my employer. I pay DeepSeek on a personal capacity.

I honestly have a better experience using DeepSeek, in part because since the cost is lower I feel more free to experiment with it. But in part because the model is excellent, and can handle everything I throw at it in a collaborative manner.

I am really excited for when V4 is out of preview and they are done with all the post-training bit.

Re: Using an open model feels surprisingly good

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I can see why Anthropic is freaking out right now. China has undermined their whole business. AI models will be basic commodities where hosting providers earn a tiny margin over the raw costs rather than the predicted fortunes from being the gatekeepers to the technology.

Their business model always seemed to be "become IBM, gods of the mainframe and server-side-computing" and that always seemed a bit unlikely to last forever considering how thoroughly the PC disrupted that by being "good enough" without the lock-in. IMO because they speed-ran it so much (raising orders of magnitudes more, pushing out new stuff orders of magnitudes faster) it will also lead to the rest of the world ca…

> “become literal god of AGI”

That only lasts until the AGI decides their god would be more useful if turned into paperclips.

Re: Using an open model feels surprisingly good

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This is an ad. I know the author has a long history here and I'm sure the post is a genuine reflection. But how is posting "I used my own product and it felt really good" anything other than self promotion?

Classic HN. Usually people write longer blogs to hide the self-promotion/products promotion. Better hide the promotion into 2000 character mumble jumble.
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