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Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

baxtr wrote: post #100
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #82

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That’s incredibly messy, for example, a friend of mine was recently forced out of the country because her Ukrainian refugee visa was revoked. Are you saying this community member cannot be sad or angry about this, because that’s too political? We have to be like damn this is the last board game with Nancy but we can’t talk about why because that’s Polticial?

I think it’s the opposite of messy tbh. It’s clear cut. You might not like it but that’s a separate discussion. Re your colleague: I wouldn’t want to talk about it other than showing empathy for the person. At your workplace… outside of work you can talk whatever you want.

This isn’t a work context. This is a board game meetup, lol. Do you not have friends outside of work?

Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by baxtr »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #101
baxtr wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s the opposite of messy tbh. It’s clear cut. You might not like it but that’s a separate discussion. Re your colleague: I wouldn’t want to talk about it other than showing empathy for the person. At your workplace… outside of work you can talk whatever you want.

This isn’t a work context. This is a board game meetup, lol. Do you not have friends outside of work?

Oh I see. so it’s my fault now that I didn’t understand what you were describing.

And no. I don’t have any friends not even at work.

Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by __rito__ »

carlosjobim wrote: post #77
__rito__ wrote: post #64

> 4. Be part of bigger things > Being part of bigger things makes us feel valued. Find communities and projects to be part of. Start your own. It could be online or in the real world. Make sure the groups don't get politically active one way or the other. Today's social landscape is made significantly worse by political polarization dragged to the extreme - fuelled by short form content silos and bubbles. (Tiktok, In…

All groups have internal politics, which is worse.

That is true. But you can rise above it, or choose to ignore it. If not, then it is not the right group.

I have been part of groups with vile internal power struggles, politics. I never ever took part. Was okay. Maybe there is a threshold somewhere that I have not found yet.

Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by snovymgodym »

sethammons wrote: post #70
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #66

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I had to tell my parents to stop talking about politics because it was making me dislike them. They weren’t informed citizens, they were just regurgitating whatever they happened to read in their newspaper that day. If you pushed them on anything they said they didn’t really have any understanding beneath the headlines they had read. It would be better for them if they could disengage from it but they don’t seem to w…

So no discussion happened and they were left uninformed? I talk through things with my family and share different takes and sources. Some are unhinged and called out. But usually there is lots of common ground. And sometimes changed options. No single raindrop believes it to be blamed for the flood.

That's great that this works for your family, but you should be careful not to project your personal experience onto others.

An actual productive political discussion where someone changes their mind afterwards is very rare.

It requires a bilateral respect for difference of opinion, a willingness to introspect and challenge one's own positions, and the emotional maturity not to take disagreement personally.

There are some people with whom you'll just never get this. If those people are your family or close friends, a mutual understanding of "we both know we disagree on this topic, so let's avoid it" can be the best you will get.

Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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baxtr wrote: post #102
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t a work context. This is a board game meetup, lol. Do you not have friends outside of work?

Oh I see. so it’s my fault now that I didn’t understand what you were describing. And no. I don’t have any friends not even at work.

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Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

baxtr wrote: post #102
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t a work context. This is a board game meetup, lol. Do you not have friends outside of work?

Oh I see. so it’s my fault now that I didn’t understand what you were describing. And no. I don’t have any friends not even at work.

I literally said in my first post that I am speaking in a board game context.

Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by pioneerjeff »

I think it missed one important point of achieving happiness, which is lowering your overall threshold.

Let yourself say goodbye to luxury enjoyment and be more sensitive to daily unexpected incidents. You will find that happiness is just close at hand.

Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by roenxi »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #98
roenxi wrote: post #97

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> So forcing everyone to change their meeting place to a venue with a unisex bathroom only is not political, but a trans woman using a woman’s bathroom is political? Nobody is calling for unisex bathrooms as far as I know, so it can't really be called a political choice. It is just practical - there isn't a consensus about who should get a special bathroom. How can there be a special bathroom if we don't know who is…

I think you’re missing my point here, which is that “no politics” is an impossible standard for any given social group even if the social group isn’t itself a political movement. There will need to be some measure of baseline politics, like trans people are welcome, jokes about Indian people being smelly are fine, gay people shouldn’t bring their partners around, “retarded” is/isn’t cool to use. Etc.

I did just write "that is an inescapable problem that has dogged humanity since before we were a species" you know. But nonetheless the trans bathroom one has a simple and nonpolitical resolution until the people who want segregation start making an argument about why some people need a special bathroom. At which point the gender thing probably doesn't matter.

This is a part of why people are hopeful that they can keep spaces focused. Many of the popular "political issues" are more theatre around identity than any real substance.

Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

roenxi wrote: post #109
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #98

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I think you’re missing my point here, which is that “no politics” is an impossible standard for any given social group even if the social group isn’t itself a political movement. There will need to be some measure of baseline politics, like trans people are welcome, jokes about Indian people being smelly are fine, gay people shouldn’t bring their partners around, “retarded” is/isn’t cool to use. Etc.

I did just write "that is an inescapable problem that has dogged humanity since before we were a species" you know. But nonetheless the trans bathroom one has a simple and nonpolitical resolution until the people who want segregation start making an argument about why some people need a special bathroom. At which point the gender thing probably doesn't matter. This is a part of why people are hopeful that they can ke…

So you’re in agreement with me that “no politics” isn’t really a thing in a space? That’s all I’m saying. I’m using transgender issues as an example but my overall point is that there’s no such thing as a space that is focused around something and simply gets a no politics rule. There is always some kind of politics in play simply by nature of politics being an extension of acceptable and unacceptable community, e.g. a person who happens to be trans is the hot topic now, but within my parents generation probably the political act is enforcing a shared bathroom between whites and blacks!
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