Proof of care in the age of AI
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Re: Proof of care in the age of AI
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I was genuinely expecting this to be LLM-generated. It isn’t?
>Click here to see the "how this was made" feature ^ at the bottom of the article
That's exactly what an LLM would want you think. (this is a weak joke) It's a good article.
Re: Proof of care in the age of AI
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you not have to second guess/verify stuff humans write...? Of all the reasons to dislike AI writing, this is an odd one. > Using AI for anything (including to "polish" grammar and spelling) is mentally taxing for everyone else. I truly believe that in a few years, the obsession with determining whether an AI wrote some text will be classified as a mental disorder. And I say that with all seriousness.
> obsession with determining whether an AI wrote some text will be classified as a mental disorder I disagree and think this is an overly extreme take. I will agree that the trust/correctness thing is kind of silly because humans can be and are often wrong just as much. But there's a creative element that gets missed with LLM output. Maybe LLM output is OK at work. I honestly don't care if its used for corporate bure…
You mean there's a human creative element that is lost. LLMs are creative just as humans are. I had an LLM write something fairly creative, and people on HN loved it (I think it was clear that it was LLM generated).
I had an LLM write a song about a piece of technology, and one of the key folks behind the technology loved it, and reached out to me to get permission to play it in the next conference about that technology.[1]
Normal people can appreciate LLM creativity. That's why I mentioned disorders.
> But there's a real human creative element that's lost when LLMs are used everywhere for nearly all writing. AI generated art, music, novels, articles, etc. miss the point of human connection.
As Theodore Sturgeon said "90% of everything is crap". He had it wrong - the percentage is much higher. Most of the human generated stuff in the categories you listed above are crap. Why put the spotlight on LLMs when they also produce crap?
> We consume works from each other as a form of social and empathetic connection, very important things that makes human society work, we're naturally social creatures.
You are blindly looking at only one facet of human communication. Much of human communication is also misunderstood, miscommunicated, and breaks those empathetic connections and cause social problems. And I'm not talking about bad human actors, but ordinary folks who, in their attempts to create connection, make things unwittingly go in the opposite direction. These are not exceptional situations - you'd see plenty of it in any large HN thread in the pre-LLM days.
Let's not romanticize human communications of yore by remembering only the (rare) positive examples.
> Interjecting an LLM into that communication breaks that connection. You are no longer connecting with, or sharing an experience with, the human on the other end of the art. Your connection is with a machine, which is to say, not a connection at all. Its low effort, and its an uncanny valley of imitating a human.
You state mere opinion as fact, and feel comfort by surrounding yourself with those who think likewise (much of the HN crowd). It is not grounded on anything.
If Jill used an LLM to state what she intended, and it did it in a way she approved, and Jack can't connect with the person because an LLM was at play, the problem is not with the LLM or the Jill. She is trying to connect, and may well be doing it in a more effective manner than she would have without.
Just as when writing something important, where strong emotions can get involved, we share a draft with someone to get feedback, people will share it with an LLM to get feedback. Yet people like the OP will criticize them for doing so (the part I quoted in my comment).
At the end of the day, if Jill got an LLM to help with her writing, and confirmed that the final text reflects what she intended, and Jack says he can't trust any of it because an LLM touched it, then Jack is clearly signaling a lack of respect for Jill. She put in the effort to communicate, put in effort to proofread/edit, and Jack has labeled her and moved on.
If Jack doesn't trust Jill to use an LLM appropriately, then Jack shouldn't bother reading anything Jill writes. The presence of an LLM is a red herring.
[1] Silly in retrospect. I didn't create it - why should I be the one giving permission?
Re: Proof of care in the age of AI
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you not have to second guess/verify stuff humans write...? Of all the reasons to dislike AI writing, this is an odd one. > Using AI for anything (including to "polish" grammar and spelling) is mentally taxing for everyone else. I truly believe that in a few years, the obsession with determining whether an AI wrote some text will be classified as a mental disorder. And I say that with all seriousness.
AI text is just a quick heuristic for garbage. But I’ve always disliked garbage. Even when it came dressed like: How to use Monads When David James was a young child, his mother used to tell him that you could oil vegetables before putting them in the pan. On the ranch in Eastern Kentucky David’s mornings would be spent watering, caring for the cows, and then playing with the dogs. Before he started blah blah blah… a…
Thank you for being honest, and saying that the problem is not with the other party, but with your lack of resources/time to read and judge.
And, BTW, just replace "AI" in your sentence with "Human", and the statement would still be true!
Re: Proof of care in the age of AI
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
AI text is just a quick heuristic for garbage. But I’ve always disliked garbage. Even when it came dressed like: How to use Monads When David James was a young child, his mother used to tell him that you could oil vegetables before putting them in the pan. On the ranch in Eastern Kentucky David’s mornings would be spent watering, caring for the cows, and then playing with the dogs. Before he started blah blah blah… a…
> AI text is just a quick heuristic for garbage. Thank you for being honest, and saying that the problem is not with the other party, but with your lack of resources/time to read and judge. And, BTW, just replace "AI" in your sentence with "Human", and the statement would still be true!
Re: Proof of care in the age of AI
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
> AI text is just a quick heuristic for garbage. Thank you for being honest, and saying that the problem is not with the other party, but with your lack of resources/time to read and judge. And, BTW, just replace "AI" in your sentence with "Human", and the statement would still be true!
The entire point was that replacing AI with Human makes the statement true... Garbage is garbage.
That point is under contention.
Re: Proof of care in the age of AI
#107But what a great idea nevertheless - proof of care! Instead of checking if you are human and not a malicious bot, they shoud require a proof that you do care about what you are going to access. Like - I don't know - write by hand on the screen a short essay on how accessing the site will make you happy.
EDIT: Or - better yet - make a tattoo with an URL of the site you want to access, and then upload a selfie.
Re: Proof of care in the age of AI
#108If you want to stop the dysfunction become involved in your government and get stronger antitrust legislation passed. OR you could write everything by hand, take pictures and pretend image models don't exist.
Re: Proof of care in the age of AI
#109Guard your mental resources. You always should have, but in the age of AI it is no longer optional. Simple algorithm for not wasting your time: 1) By default nothing is valuable or worth your while 2) Aggressively hunt for signals indicating potential worth (ancient pedigree and/or critical acclaim being most valuable) 3) Choose maybe 10% of what survives for actual reading, scan some others and dump the rest Oh, and…
This sounds like work for a personally aligned local agent interacting with your past and future media timeline. It probably exists in some form, any suggestions?
I have one of those. It's me. I'm my personally aligned local agent.
You can be yours too, as long as the atrophy hasn't set in yet.
Re: Proof of care in the age of AI
#110Right at the end too. Shame.
Better write it out again...
Love how the handwriting changes and you can see the author get into flow. My reading sped up to match, like I was right with the author as they wrote. The whole thing was a beautifully connected, human experience. Bravo!