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Re: 45% of enthusiasts 'seriously considering' leaving Sony for PC

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Post by foolfoolz »

dinkleberg wrote: post #84

Perhaps I'm overly cynical, but I would wager these survey results are completely meaningless. Being angry at Sony for ending physical games is the "correct opinion" right now and all of the social media influencers are getting big views off of the drama. And a significant number of people will just parrot the outrage they hear about even if they don't actually care. But by the time the PS6 comes out, I would bet tha…

totally agree. gaming is a passion industry, the fans are vocal and passionate, but also fleeting. and the vast majority of gamers today are digital only anyway

Re: 45% of enthusiasts 'seriously considering' leaving Sony for PC

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Post by zetanor »

miiiiiike wrote: post #56
zetanor wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people like disc cases and the actual disk itself, but the main gripes I've seen with digital only games on consoles were: 1) without a disc you can't give/trade/sell the game, 2) without a disc the game can be taken away from you, 3) if you can't make an offline backup copy of the game and transfer it from console to console, most/every copy of a game will eventually disappear. Steam has issues, and you certain…

You could buy, sell, trade, loan, and backup games with the right regulation. Discs are irrelevant.

You can fix a lot of problems if you have the necessary power. Unfortunately, this is not going to lead to a civilizational revolution.

Re: 45% of enthusiasts 'seriously considering' leaving Sony for PC

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Post by de6u99er »

everdrive wrote: post #5

Gaming is getting too expensive. This feels like sort of an accident of complex systems. Budgets for games are skyrocketing, graphics requirements are skyrocketing. But, some of the most fun games in the world were made 30 ago. From a pure "can we have good entertainment?" standpoint there's no reason for this cost creep. In practice, companies are pushing it, and although it probably does not apply to the HN crowd,…

I strongly believe generative AI is going to change this equation. Not only will it lower the cost for studios, it will also enable gamers to make adjustments to games within pre-defined parameters.

Re: 45% of enthusiasts 'seriously considering' leaving Sony for PC

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Post by jaredcwhite »

de6u99er wrote: post #103
everdrive wrote: post #5

Gaming is getting too expensive. This feels like sort of an accident of complex systems. Budgets for games are skyrocketing, graphics requirements are skyrocketing. But, some of the most fun games in the world were made 30 ago. From a pure "can we have good entertainment?" standpoint there's no reason for this cost creep. In practice, companies are pushing it, and although it probably does not apply to the HN crowd,…

I strongly believe generative AI is going to change this equation. Not only will it lower the cost for studios, it will also enable gamers to make adjustments to games within pre-defined parameters.

Whatever the answers are to help gaming become more affordable/keep beloved indie studios humming, generative AI is not it at all.

Re: 45% of enthusiasts 'seriously considering' leaving Sony for PC

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Post by AngryData »

emdash wrote: post #60
michaelbrave wrote: post #53

I would only buy consoles after they had been out a few years, mid to late lifetime of the console, the primary benefit was it's nice to have in the living room instead of on a desk. Most of the games I bought were used or on sale. All of my purchases have been long tail distribution of a system. If a console goes digital only I won't buy the console. Most of my games are on pc now anyway, none of the modern games ar…

I just have a desktop computer plugged into the TV in the living room.

Yeah that is what I do with an OG steam controller. I don't really understand why so many people are resistant to the idea. It makes a far better media center than any smart tv too in my opinion.

Re: 45% of enthusiasts 'seriously considering' leaving Sony for PC

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Post by AngryData »

haunter wrote: post #78
MYEUHD wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Steam is not an alternative if you hate digital only games. GOG is the alternative. It sells DRM-free games

That entirely depends on the games you want to play. Check the most played games on Steam and how many of them are available on GOG. 1 out of 10 or even less.

To be fair many of those are multiplayer games with required updates and anticheat.

Re: 45% of enthusiasts 'seriously considering' leaving Sony for PC

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Post by miiiiiike »

emdash wrote: post #64
miiiiiike wrote: post #6

Sure. Until the first FromSoftware PS6 exclusive is released. Child, six, seriously considering running away from home after parents refuse to serve dinner on dinosaur plate. People realize that Steam doesn't use physical media, right? The real issue is the lack of consumer friendly regulation, not the medium.

I've been using Steam for 15 years and in that time they have never done me wrong. I trust Valve to do the right thing. On the other hand, I know for a fact that sony will do the worst possible thing over and over again every time they have the chance to. Remember that time Sony took away features from the PS3 that were advertised selling points? Remember when modders added the features back and Sony sent them to pri…

And when Gabe dies? “I trust company” is not convincing.

Re: 45% of enthusiasts 'seriously considering' leaving Sony for PC

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Post by happymellon »

mediaman wrote: post #23
CodingJeebus wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting cheaper due to mandatory spyware that requires networking knowledge to properly isolate and disable. Thanks capitalism!

That's annoying, but it's not why scaled manufacturing is lowering unit costs of panel production. Look at bare panel prices, they've followed the same cost curve down. The same problem exists in the airline market. Airline ticket prices are historically very low, but people complain about seats, fees, and so on. But then they keep buying the absolute cheapest ticket. What consumers say they care about, and what they…

> But then they keep buying the absolute cheapest ticket.

I would love to shop around and find seats that give me the things that I want without having to spend more on extra fees, but the model they have now is to basically show me the nickle and dining seat, and then pay to upgrade it to the fee free version.

Re: 45% of enthusiasts 'seriously considering' leaving Sony for PC

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Post by rickstanley »

mikenew wrote: post #52
everdrive wrote: post #5

Gaming is getting too expensive. This feels like sort of an accident of complex systems. Budgets for games are skyrocketing, graphics requirements are skyrocketing. But, some of the most fun games in the world were made 30 ago. From a pure "can we have good entertainment?" standpoint there's no reason for this cost creep. In practice, companies are pushing it, and although it probably does not apply to the HN crowd,…

Current top 5 played games on the Steam Deck are: Slay the Spire 2, The Binding of Isaac, Dave the Diver, Stardew Valley, and Baldur's Gate 3. BG3 is the only one you can consider AAA, but Larian is hardly an EA or Blizzard. The big AAA studios recycle the same formulas and push graphical quality (mostly downstream of Unreal Engine improvements) because they are risk averse. Similar to big comic-book-hero films. It's…

On top of that, the seemingly endless remakes... Some are praise worthy others not so much. I got tired of Resident Evil Remakes, they are just recycling the same formula over, and over, and over again... Innovation has left a long time a go. Other example is the recent Assassin's Creed Black Flag "Resync" (which is a remaster with some things on top of it), I was planing on buying it, but Jesus, Ubisoft couldn't let it pass: their launcher is still there, all DLC's together cost more than the base game (and why have DLC in the first place?), the menu is has an ad for Assassin's Creed Shadows which, etc.

I'm currently doing a course (I think it's equivalent to an "Associate degree" in USA) in Game Development. I feel demotivated to take part in this industry, and I think that, at least for me, it should be just on and off gig to do in my spare time, perhaps with other enthusiasts too, but I don't plan to pursue it.

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