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The Supreme Court Just Lit a Fuse Under Flock's License Plate Camera Empire

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Re: The Supreme Court Just Lit a Fuse Under Flock's License Plate Camera Empire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whose vehicle though? I think you should look legally at the distinction between ownership and use. Do you need to register your friends vehicles if you drive them for a weekend and trigger an in-state registration requirement (i.e. California as one of the comments mentioned) Can't logically be true right?

When it comes to paying tax, ownership/use/residency is up for examination by tax authorities. They will make a determination based on their evidence and if you don't like it you can take it to tax court and you all can show a judge your evidence.

Hi the ownership/use/residency is not something that can be interpreted subjectively in cases where they like, to prejudiciously or personally target select individuals they don't like. I'm simply stating that when it comes to paying tax, it's up to wherever you live to articulate clearly when and how you pay tax when it's applicable to you.

When you don't owe tax, you don't pay it. When you owe it, you pay it. However don't cloud up the space and confuse people by saying you owe tax for property you don't own because someone feels that you are evading tax. That's not actually lawful or law based justice, that's hate/fear and prejudice based simply to prove a point. For example here, that privacy is not allowed and that you should be afraid for not taking ownership of things you use such as vehicles.

In cases where you use things you don't own, the law is usually pretty clearly articulated: pay use tax for what you use, pay registration and sales/registration taxes for things you own. Tax authorities know this and will articulate it clearly usually, except I suppose in certain prejudiced and discriminatory cases like when privacy is concerned like vehicle registration by LLCs. Now do you need to take ownership of things you use in a state just so you can hypothetically pay a tax for an evasion accusation that you don't apply to, I would be incredibly surprised to see if any state actually is saying this - I don't think its constitutionally or legally sound in any way. Instead, what I see, is fear mongering, authoritarian language and discourse and simply as I originally stated in my post Ad Hominem and logically fallacy based communication.

Re: The Supreme Court Just Lit a Fuse Under Flock's License Plate Camera Empire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Here's a reminder that a Montana-LLC registered car is a legitimate privacy-preserving use case and not the tax-evasion that Straw Manners and Ad Hominem attackers make appear to be. I mean, it’s both, right? You’re definitely getting a tax advantage compared to a lot of areas of the country. And how is insurance going to work?

I live in North Dakota and the cost of maintaining a Montana LLC would be more than my yearly registration fee. Something I started doing is getting new plates every year so historical data of my movement based on plate number only goes back a year.

Nice. I know of a Montana llc that got permanent plates so registration is now not required and only yearly LLC paperwork is required. The privacy is of course able to be compromised since data goes over a year. Though for the sake of protection against malicious actors and hostile groups, it is still better than a citizen-based ownership & registration.

There's a reason the ultra wealthy and rich have so many umbrella organizations and don't really "own" anything.

Re: The Supreme Court Just Lit a Fuse Under Flock's License Plate Camera Empire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it comes to paying tax, ownership/use/residency is up for examination by tax authorities. They will make a determination based on their evidence and if you don't like it you can take it to tax court and you all can show a judge your evidence.

Hi the ownership/use/residency is not something that can be interpreted subjectively in cases where they like, to prejudiciously or personally target select individuals they don't like. I'm simply stating that when it comes to paying tax, it's up to wherever you live to articulate clearly when and how you pay tax when it's applicable to you. When you don't owe tax, you don't pay it. When you owe it, you pay it. Howev…

> However don't cloud up the space and confuse people by saying you owe tax for property you don't own because someone feels that you are evading tax.

Legally, single member LLCs often simply pass-through tax obligations. In this situation, the law literally disregards their existence for tax purposes.

> Now do you need to take ownership of things you use in a state just so you can hypothetically pay a tax for an evasion accusation that you don't apply to, I would be incredibly surprised to see if any state actually is saying this - I don't think its constitutionally or legally sound in any way.

No nobody is arbitrarily forcing anyone to trade ownership of anything -- a Montana LLC could register their car locally in CA. But that defeats the point of the "Montana car registration scheme" -- which is tax evasion.

If there is an actual real company in Montana that is giving their employees a car to drive around in California, they need to register it in California and pay tax there.

Re: The Supreme Court Just Lit a Fuse Under Flock's License Plate Camera Empire

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The argument I struggle to get around and would love to hear a counter-argument to: Let's say a local police department hired 175 police officers, each being told "Go stand on this particular intersection with a pad of paper and write down every license plate you see". This would be a stupid use of resources, but is not outside the realm of something a well-funded police department could do. Every night they take the…

> but is not outside the realm of something a well-funded police department could do One officer would absolutely not be able to record on that piece of paper every single license plate that passed through a busy intersection. Not even close. The number of officers that _would_ be required to do so would absolutely be "outside the realm of possibility" for even a well-funded police department. That's why flock is dif…

The constitution does not really care about scale, though, and that’s my point. It’s a reason why the legislature should care about Flock, but not why the judicial should.

Re: The Supreme Court Just Lit a Fuse Under Flock's License Plate Camera Empire

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post #76
post #43

The argument I struggle to get around and would love to hear a counter-argument to: Let's say a local police department hired 175 police officers, each being told "Go stand on this particular intersection with a pad of paper and write down every license plate you see". This would be a stupid use of resources, but is not outside the realm of something a well-funded police department could do. Every night they take the…

Scale obviously does not make this more okay; watching many intersections or cell towers is obviously less reasonable than a single intersection or tower. > In comparison: license plates, when in public, are always visible, and very easy to discern from one-another (different state-unique numbers); so in my mind the expectation of privacy is far lower. Legally, overhearing a conversation is not different. If you are…

The constitution does not really care about scale, though, and that’s my point. It’s a reason why the legislature should care about Flock, but not why the judicial should.
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